Existing Subpanel

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clearyjr

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A customer wants to upgrade the existing Federal Pacific subpanel in each of the four apartment units; all are located in the kitchen area of each apartment (Cir. 1955). Are there any code issues relating to the location of the subpanel by todays code? (I agree the design stinks!)
 
If replacing and/or installing a new lighting and appliance panelboard in a dwelling, all the applicable codes of the NEC will apply such as working space, illumination, proper grounding and bonding, ect...
 
Wouldn't your employer, or the journeyman on the job know the answer to this question?

Roger
 
clearyjr said:
A customer wants to upgrade the existing Federal Pacific subpanel in each of the four apartment units; all are located in the kitchen area of each apartment (Cir. 1955). Are there any code issues relating to the location of the subpanel by todays code? (I agree the design stinks!)

There is no code that says you cannot locate a panel in a kitchen however you do need to mantain the clearances per art. 110.26
 
clearyjr said:
Are there any code issues relating to the location of the subpanel by todays code?

That depends...NJ's Rehab Code will pretty much allow most existing installations to be upgraded w/o much fanfare.

Where are you located?
 
clearyjr said:
Orange county NY


Isn't that Newburg area. Went to school in Poughkeepsie.

Clearyjr--- when you respond to a particular post it is always helpful if you hit the quote button on the bottom right and then respond. It helps us to know who you are responding to.

For instance

Celtic said:
That depends...NJ's Rehab Code will pretty much allow most existing installations to be upgraded w/o much fanfare.

Where are you located?

Orange county NY
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Isn't that Newburg area. Went to school in Poughkeepsie.

And when you were there Dennis, were apprentices legally allowed to do this type of work with out supervision?

Roger
 
Roger,

Here in Jersey, a multifamily anything more then a 2 family job, would also require a sealed print, which would detail the project. I think he is in upstate NY, so not sure what they can get away with.
 
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roger said:
And when you were there Dennis, were apprentices legally allowed to do this type of work with out supervision?

Roger

I won't even mention the work I did at Marist college with very little supervision. I am talking electrical not school work ( I didn't do much of that).
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I won't even mention the work I did at Marist college with very little supervision. I am talking electrical not school work ( I didn't do much of that).

Ohhh, that's the answer to your haste to answer the question, now I understand. :roll:

Roger
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Isn't that Newburg area. Went to school in Poughkeepsie.

Clearyjr--- when you respond to a particular post it is always helpful if you hit the quote button on the bottom right and then respond. It helps us to know who you are responding to.

For instance



Orange county NY

Dennis-- i thought I did something wrong, thanks for the help once again. Yes the Newburgh area!
 
roger said:
Wouldn't your employer, or the journeyman on the job know the answer to this question?

Roger

Roger-- you spew words well but "where's the beef"? Were not talking working rules, we're talking NEC. Can you answer the original question?

Hey Dennis-- Thanks again!
 
Just about any licensed electrician in your area could answer that question! He was questioning your experience and the need to ask the question! Thats why they have diiferent levels of electricians that are supposed to supervise and educate on the job.

Granted there are things that even the most experienced ec's and electricians need or should ask questions about but there is no need to snap back.

I would think that if you are holding the license, allowed to work unsupervised in your area as an apprentice, and pulling the required permits that you are fine in asking.

I would doubt that this is the case though and I think that that is what he was referring too. What does your AHJ have to say about this install? I have found that there is a great lattitude in this area.
 
Clearyjr, yes I can answer the question, and most anyone with a code book would be able to follow my answer.

You list yourself as an apprentice and ask a question concerning a project where others live and sleep, so, I have to wonder why the person responsible for the project is not answering your question.

Please answer the following questions.

Are you pulling the permit?

Are you performing the work under your own license and accepting the legal liability?

Can you give us your license number?

Why does it upset you that I asked "Wouldn't your employer, or the journeyman on the job know the answer to this question"?



Roger
 
roger said:
Clearyjr, yes I can answer the question, and most anyone with a code book would be able to follow my answer.

You list yourself as an apprentice and ask a question concerning a project where others live and sleep, so, I have to wonder why the person responsible for the project is not answering your question.

Please answer the following questions.

Are you pulling the permit?

Are you performing the work under your own license and accepting the legal liability?

Can you give us your license number?

Why does it upset you that I asked "Wouldn't your employer, or the journeyman on the job know the answer to this question"?



Roger

Roger-- please except my apology! I didn't know that my profile said "apprentice" and my outburst was not justified based on the aforementioned. I don't use the site much and obviously my first post was not as interesting as I thought. I posted the question to see if anyone would suggest reversing the existing panel in the wall, so that it would not be in the kitchen for all the reasons you allude to.

regards,
clearyjr
 
Clearyjr, we will leave it all behind and move forward.

I hope you will be more active in your participation, be it asking questions or responding to questions. :smile:

Roger
 
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