Facts on liens in Fl.

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p51

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Thank you all for your replies and advice Re: Trouble getting paid in full. In Fl. if you are working for the owner directly (In privy with),you do not have to file a Notice To Owner to have your lien rights, but if you are working for a G.C. you have 45 days from the time work begins to send a NTO to have lien rights. Most of the time it is well past 45 days before you realize your going to have trouble getting paid ,at this point you are usually SOL. So at then ,if you are able,you file your lien, at the end of 1 yr. if still not paid you can forclose the lien,but the owner can now go to court and "bond" the lien, (put up a cash bond in the amount of the lien) and THEN you go to court and sue them,all this can take years and these creeps know how to do it.Also when you agree to the lesser amount they usually require you to give them a release of lien for the lesser amount which is essentialy a PAID IN FULL reciept,and if you are lucky enough to win in court and get a judgement in your favor you then have to collect on it,easier said than done.The laws seem to be set up to protect the public from the "Dishonest" contractors,which is a good thing,I suppose ,but very little to protect the honest contractor from the public.
 

GUNNING

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Bring em on!

Bring em on!

In Florida there are also criminal Statutes to protect the elderly. I have see where little old ladies are hammered by a contractor either though inaction or substandard materials or shoddy workmanship and the sheriff shows up and removed the contractor. It has to do with abuse of the elderly. Very effective way to mediate a dispute with a contractor. A couple more years and look out. For now I'm having a little blue haired ol lady make up my contracts.
 

dezwitinc

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Delray Beach, FL
RE: FLORIDA NTO
Make sure you file it as soon as you get your contract, don't wait until it is too late.
This is the voice of experience speaking to the tune of $28,000.00.
We don't turn a screw anymore until the NTO is filed.
 

GUNNING

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Paperwork. ugh.

Paperwork. ugh.

What the NTO does is put you in privity with the owner. This means that the owner acknowledges you are doing work on his property. It allows the sub to be in privity with the owner just like the contractor. If the job is over $2500 the job needs a notice of commencement. This is filed with the building department and placed into official records at the court house. This is the document that places your book mark on the who owes who list of the property. It is normally done by the one that pulls the permit.
Property taxes take priority to all mortgages and loans registered in the official record book on a specific piece of property. A property tax lien will prime any other liens or mortgages. If the property is in tax trouble the ownership could transfer before everything gets completed. What the Notice of commencement does is put the public on notice that there is work being performed on the property and a date is provided. This document gives notice that you have priority over any subsequent liens (perhaps) but not property taxes.

The beginning of what you have to remember is:
1 Notice to owner
2 if over $2500 get a notarized Notice of Commencement filed with the building department with permit and with official records.
3 Get the job done and get paid giving a release.

If the job isn't being inspected or contracted with a permit, it's illegal. A very good defense in a court of law to NOT enforce a contract would be that it is illegal. No permit, no recourse irregardless of whether a Notice to Owner is filed or not.
The state of Florida even specifies type sizes (print) on certain parts of the Notice to Owner. If these aren't adhered to it's not a recognized NTO.

If you are relying on a Notice to Owner to get you paid, don't. Its done at the very beginning of a job. If the job is going South before you start, there is a problem already. It does tell whomever you are working for you know what is required. It is a courtesy to the owner. It will take several hours off the legal fees. It will make the contractor do more paperwork and get things notarized which is a time consuming activity and his job. It's a beginning and can cost anywhere from $4 and up, depending on the local cost structures at the building department and public records.

Just because you didn't file a NTO doesn't mean you cant sue. It does mean you cant use the Notice of Commencement date and if the property is transferred it might mean loosing the deep pocket and perhaps your ability to convince the judge you deserve to get paid because you didn't do proper notice. Its called a defense and is very convincing to judges that enforce the laws. That's when you learn about paying the other guys legal fees.

I have found it very educational to do a real estate class. It helps you understand what is involved in property. It gives you a very VERY light exposure to Florida statutes, public records, property rights etc. The F.S. aren't that hard to read ,surprisingly, and can be very informative.

Here is a site on NTO
http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pro/cilb/documents/florida_lien_law.pdf
 
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