Fan rated fs box?

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ritelec

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Installing an outlet for a paddle fan in a gazebo.

It has a shingled roof

Do they make s wp (round fs) box that ceiling fan rated ?

Or rather than using uf and fs box. Since it's covered can I use rx and s regular ceiling fan box ??

Thank you
 
I don't know the answer, but all you have to do is use long enough screws to mount the plate to the wood above. Do you know what I mean? You have the box that you'll mount the bracket to, but instead of screwing 10-32's into the mounting holes, just use 4" or 5" screws to make it all the way into the wood. Would satisfy the requirement.
 
The ceiling in a gazebo is a damp location so you would need a box and wiring method listed for that environment.
 
Feel free to correct me. Are not the threads in a WR round box 10-32?
Maybe the WR round box is not rated for a fan?

I would take their advice on securing the box and wiring method so that it holds up under normal wet conditions.
For what it,s worth.
I believe if the roof leaks directly over the fan water will enter the unit no matter the box, unless the fan canopy has a sealed top of some sort.
 
kwired said:
Is there a product hiding in there that is damp or wet rated?
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Because the fan itself is not wet or damp location listed (never saw one that was). So why would you need a WP box? I would even go so far as to say that if this is a damp location and the fan is not listed for a damp location it's a violation to install it.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
Because the fan itself is not wet or damp location listed (never saw one that was). So why would you need a WP box? I would even go so far as to say that if this is a damp location and the fan is not listed for a damp location it's a violation to install it.

-Hal
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Do a quick google search. They have lots of damp location outdoor ceiling fans.
 
hbiss said:
Because the fan itself is not wet or damp location listed (never saw one that was). So why would you need a WP box? I would even go so far as to say that if this is a damp location and the fan is not listed for a damp location it's a violation to install it.

-Hal
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http://www.delmarfans.com/ceiling-fans/outdoor/

Whole slew of fans that are damp/wet listed.

As for the AI boxes, I could have swore I saw a few in that link that were damp rated... maybe I was looking at a different site.
 
If the box is flush in a ceiling is the box itself in a wet or damp location on a typical porch or gazebo application?

We use standard "indoor boxes" for flush mounting behind a wall mounted luminaire or for flush receptacle outlets don't we? Maybe less now then we once did depending on siding or other finish type being used but still do at times.
 
My mother in law's house already had a ceiling fan on a pretty large covered porch when she moved into it, this was maybe 5-8 years ago. It was not a damp location rated fan. Now the blades are drooping down at a funky angle, it never gets wet unless someone is hosing off the porch, but humidity just has had that impact on the composite wood blades.
 
kwired said:
My mother in law's house already had a ceiling fan on a pretty large covered porch when she moved into it, this was maybe 5-8 years ago. It was not a damp location rated fan. Now the blades are drooping down at a funky angle, it never gets wet unless someone is hosing off the porch, but humidity just has had that impact on the composite wood blades.
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You can buy plastic outdoor replacement blades fairly cheap.
 
Thank you for all the input.
as jaylectricity mentioned, would driving some screws threw bracket through the box to the framing member make it compliant??

If so, on a regular box (metal or plastic) in the house, would driving screws through to a framing member make it fan rated???


as far as wiring method...
if a porch or gazebo or pavilion is roofed with no ceiling material covering the ceiling framing members, it would need to be wired for wet location? BUT, if it were covered with a ceiling material rx or bx could be used??


A counter person at the supply house also mentioned the 10/32 point.

In the box with the link thats "approved" or rather it just mentions for ceiling fan, does anyone see anything special about it?

Thanks again for the responses.
 
Zooming in on that box I don't see anything special about it and no rated for ceiling fan lettering.

wonder if it's a marketing thing ??
 
ritelec said:
Thank you for all the input.
as jaylectricity mentioned, would driving some screws threw bracket through the box to the framing member make it compliant??

If so, on a regular box (metal or plastic) in the house, would driving screws through to a framing member make it fan rated???
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Look at 422.18. If you are still under '14 or before then the answer is yes. In '17 they added some language that you need to use a listed and a "factory installed attachment fitting designed for support,.....". Whatever that's supposed to mean.
 
jumper said:
Do a quick google search. They have lots of damp location outdoor ceiling fans.
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I stand corrected. Maybe they are available, but all I've ever seen is something customer supplied from HD with no clue as to whether it can be installed outside.

That T&B box is for a pendent hung fan which can limit the selection of fans both in dimension and customer preference. Not necessarily a deal breaker but it has to be kept in mind.

-Hal
 
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