Finally got a Megger.

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Chamuit

Grumpy Old Man
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Texas
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Electrician
Okay, today I finally became the proud owner of a megger. Got an Ideal 61-795. So, I got it out and tried it on a small apartment I was working at. I meggered all of the circuits at 250V at the spot-test time interval.

Every circuit tested at >1000 except for one jump across the hall. It came back with a value of .0020. What does that tell me or tell me to look for?

When you do testing, how do you report it? What settings do you use, and why? I'd appreciate any pointers and info anyone would be willing to share.

I have never met anyone else who has or even has used one of these testers very few that have even heard of one. New frontier for me.
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
The low reading was this line to line, line to neutral, neutral to ground?

Check for a load on the circuit.
If you are POSITIVE there is nothing connected, you have a fault or very close to a fault.

Then you need to divide and conquer.

But I'd bet there is something on this circuit, smoke detector, GFCI receptacle? lamp?
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
And if you applied 250 volts to a connected load it may not work anymore. Always check with regular ohm meter/setting before applying high test voltage.
 

tryinghard

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Location
California
Testing conductors should reveal infinite or very high resistance for good readings instead of low resistance which means continuity (or short) may exist. Some resistance may occur due to conductor properties like what?s noted on Table 8 of Chapter 9 this usually on longer runs. The megger uses DC voltage and you should set it appropriately to avoid damaging what you are testing, NM cable 250-300V should be fine with no devices on the circuit.
 

Chamuit

Grumpy Old Man
Location
Texas
Occupation
Electrician
I tested from line to ground on each of the circuits.

All circuits were disconnected from any loads.

Wiring is NM-B.

I checked each circuit for 1. voltage then 2. continuity before meggering.
1. Checking for backfed circuits.
2. Checking for possible loads still connected.

The section that read low was the jumper from the bathroom to the hall light.
 

Rockyd

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Nevada
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Retired after 40 years as an electrician.
You may get an oppeotunity to learn what some of the readings mean by meggering things when you have a known condition.

Example - if you have any SO cord that is sitting out in puddle behind the shop, megger it. Wet cables tend to be pretty low on the meter 2 to 5 megs, if it isn't a a 100% water logged.

500v for 300v cable
1000v for 600v cable

We megger heat trace a lot. we test all the way up to 5000V! If it's going to fail, want it to fail before it's insulated, and has oil flowing through the line!

Got a great tool, get familiar with it, and it will open up all kinds of doors to "hidden secrets".
 

cadpoint

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Location
Durham, NC
Jmo

Jmo

It's been talked about here before, linked, many times. The article you need to look up on your favorite search
engine is a "stitch in time - electrical". There are both for pay and free copies on the internet!

I beleive it's 40+- pages in a PDF format.

It goes over some of the various basics of electricity, and also whats happening when your using your new toy!

While very basic and maybe even sleepy at times in some aspects, it will give one a broader perspective overall.
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
I have posted this before.

A quicky

For 600 VAC and lower systems

I perform these test at 1000 VDC after verifying no loads are connected. Time frames very with type of test, go-no go short conductor runs 30 seconds to a minute (when the meter reaches a stabilized reading) and or long runs of cable or busway, which can require 5-10 minutes. Minimum readings are published in NETA specifications. The often-quoted one (1) megohm is, in my opinion a mistake, 5 megohm would be a minimum under certain conditions (buried cable, emergency situations on 208/120 VAC systems). 50 megohms is a minimum we prefer with 100 megohms being the norm. BUT on new systems one would expect and hope to see full scale of the meter. At one time this full scale was typically 2000-4000 megohms, today that varies with the manufacture some meggers now read into gigohms and teraohms. One item to consider is comparison readings, such as a 3-wire circuit ?L1? reads 2000 megohms; ?L2? reads 200 megohms and ?L3? reads 2000 megohms. While not a major issue I would want to know why ?L2? was low. This would hold true for any type of circuit with similar conductors.
When Meggering it is important to verify all loads are turned off epically where there is sensitive electronics. You can damage this equipment or at a minimum get false readings.

Typically start with the lowest voltage your megger has, starting at 50, 100 or 250 VDC will minimize any chance of damaging equipment.

For trouble shooting single phase, I would megger Line to ground, line too neutral, neutral to ground. Typically when trouble shooting this is a go no go test allow megger reading to stabilize, no reason to wait one minute if the reading has stabilized.

For new houses with no loads on (and smokes and similar equipment disconnected]
And the neutral bond lifted, I megger the panel with the meter lifted and all CB?s off for one minute, ?L1? to neutral and ground, ?L2? to neutral and ground, Megger neutral to ground.

As for exposed copper at terminals, this does nothing to the readings unless there is a problem with the terminal, such as some conducting medium between the terminal and ground or another polarity.

We megger everything and document all readings:
All new installations at a standard time frame (minimum one minute). We do gear separate from feeders prior to termination.
All equipment serviced once again at one-minute minimum, we like to megger when de-energized and prior to re-energizing to verify we did not screw up. Plus if you get low readings with the first reading the customer MUST be aware of this, because human nature would be to blame you if you just megger at the end of service.
Houses after a lightning strike, with separate readings for the panel, then individual branch circuits, then the completed system.
Neutrals for all services worked on to determine if there are down stream shorts.
 

tx2step

Senior Member
I have posted this before.

For new houses with no loads on (and smokes and similar equipment disconnected]
And the neutral bond lifted, I megger the panel with the meter lifted and all CB?s off for one minute, ?L1? to neutral and ground, ?L2? to neutral and ground, Megger neutral to ground.

Do you also Meg L1 to L2? I always do that reading too, in addition to those you list.
 
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