Fire-alarm design

Moore Power

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I have missed out on a couple projects recently to ECs that do their own fire alarm. I don't know what I don't know, and I'm sure there are a lot of things that I haven't thought of as far as cost goes. We do commercial work in Washington state. Thanks for reading.
 
What is a common path to get into fire alarm design? Online classes? Are there costs that are not obvious? I am not worried about the install, but I would love to hear anyone's experience that has branched out into F.A. work.
 
Never got into it myself so I am not any help. I know in MA a licensed electrician can install it, but I think you have to get a cert. from the State Police. Maybe that is just for security wiring though.
 
I have missed out on a couple projects recently to ECs that do their own fire alarm. I don't know what I don't know, and I'm sure there are a lot of things that I haven't thought of as far as cost goes. We do commercial work in Washington state. Thanks for reading.
Team up with a fire alarm company, do the labor let them do the tech side of it.
 
Agreed with AKElectrician. It's common for us to work with fire alarm companies. They'll provide the "parts and smarts". We install devices, pull and terminate wire and install the FACPs. They will design the system, supply the devices and FACP, have a NICET on staff supervising the installation and they'll program the FACP. Easy money for them, and we can control our labor costs. Also, when work is slow on the electrical side, some fire alarm companies will subcontract us to help with their installations.

However, if you still want to pursue, I'd research NICET certification.
 
Thank you for the replies. I have tried to team up with a couple F.A. companies. The last one quoted, design and submittals as almost 1/2 of the total price. I think you guys are right, IF I can find the right company, that would be an ideal situation.
 
Thank you for the replies. I have tried to team up with a couple F.A. companies. The last one quoted, design and submittals as almost 1/2 of the total price. I think you guys are right, IF I can find the right company, that would be an ideal situation.
If/when you team up with a fire alarm company, please make VERY SURE you understand what the responsibilities of each party are. We work with a lot of electrical contractors, and while a few are easy, most are not. When we sell you "parts & smarts", we are NOT selling you onsite technical support. We've started burying technical support time in our quotes because it's easier than listening to EC's complain about the extra charges that are clearly outlined in our quotes. We give you drawings that show the device, it's address or settings, and the wiring diagrams for the field equipment. You mount the cans for the fire alarm guts, and we'll put in the guts and terminate the field wiring in the can. You mount the field devices. You must make sure that there are no opens, grounds, or shorts on the field wiring. If the circuit comes with an end of line resistor, you must make sure you can see it at the panel location. And for crying out loud, don't call us to do our work until you've done all of yours. We want to make one trip to do our terminations. Also, I cannot count the number of calls I get that could have been answered if the electrician had simply taken a half hour to study the drawings, and I can absolutely tell whether or not they have. Sometimes things may not be clear on my drawings, and I don't mind working that out with the electrician but at least look at them first! Sorry, rant over.
 
as an electrician I also do fire alarm systems. years ago we'd have a partnership with fire alarm contractor and we would do everything but programing. They would take the engineered drawings( which are always unexplainably weirdly wrong) and make a field drawing based on a manufacturers components. Or if their wasn't one he'd draw one and deal with fire department. We had 3 partnerships and only one was (one job, though) reliable. There was always programming errors and we'd call and have to wait . I learned how to program Firelite and Silent Knight because of this.
Most electrical contractors have a partnership with fire alarm installer. But some have dedicated technicians.
 
Thanks for everyone's input. I will try to hook up with another parts and smarts company. I have mixed opinions of the ones I've worked with. It appears that I will need to document a bit of experience on specific systems anyway.
 
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