Fire pump

[hhsting]

I have old fire pump installed 20 years ago in year 2000 under NEC 1999.

Now its broken and it is going to be replaced one to one and new electric utility service.

The AHJ is now under NEC 2014.

I would like your opinion for those who have worked would engineering plans be required by your AHJ or not above conditions for building plan review?

 

[JGinIndy]

Yes

 

[hhsting]

Yes

Would approved plans from 2000 be acceptable or need to redeveloped based on NEC 2014?

I am only asking because our AHJ i asked for updated plans since we are in NEC 2014 and upper management overruled and said approved plans from year 2000 are ok. That makes me wonder and question what other AHJs are doing. Its either I dont know what I am doing or the upper management where I work don’t know what they are doing. Just want opinion not that I am going back and fight upper management. Its worthless

 

[JGinIndy]

I can’t imagine how a 14 year old set of specs or design would even be acceptable, for one, fire pump requirements have changed a lot and two AHJ is the Authority Having Jurisdiction. Hope that helps.

 

[kwired]

Would approved plans from 2000 be acceptable or need to redeveloped based on NEC 2014?

I am only asking because our AHJ i asked for updated plans since we are in NEC 2014 and upper management overruled and said approved plans from year 2000 are ok. That makes me wonder and question what other AHJs are doing. Its either I dont know what I am doing or the upper management where I work don’t know what they are doing. Just want opinion not that I am going back and fight upper management. Its worthless

Upper management knows that if something has changed in that time it can be red flagged and need corrected?

I don't think been much major changes in what is required for fire pump electrical installs, but could be more minor details here or there that could result in needing to make corrections if not considered and installed in accordance to older codes.

 

[hhsting]

Upper management knows that if something has changed in that time it can be red flagged and need corrected?

I don't think been much major changes in what is required for fire pump electrical installs, but could be more minor details here or there that could result in needing to make corrections if not considered and installed in accordance to older codes.

Kwired what does AHJ in your area do tell to provide the fire pump plans or 1999 approved plans are ok?

 

[kwired]

Kwired what does AHJ in your area do tell to provide the fire pump plans or 1999 approved plans are ok?

No plans review on electrical. If you install per 1999 NEC requirements however anything that was compliant then but isn't now will need corrected.

I'm sure other aspects of the fire pump system likely do have plans reviews though - but that is fire marshal inspecting that. EI is not that closely associated with fire marshal here, and operate out of completely different budget and agencies.

Regardless of that if you are submitting a plan based on an old code, anything that has changed since that plan was made plain and simple is going to be subject to rejection.

For a basic system that will be powered by utility - I don't think there has been too many significant changes, that old plan may or may not be accepted. If there is a date on it however I could see some rejecting it even if content is otherwise ok.

 

[ramsy]

If new plans are submitted by employee, Mgmt. fires employee.

Submit old plans as instructed by Mgmt.

If old plans are reject by AHJ, Mgmt. must submit new.