Firewall Penetrations

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frizbeedog

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Code does't seem to elaborate much on this, unless I haven't looked hard enough. Looking for the best resources to get a handle on this topic or just some thoughts on why this issue seems left to local bulding codes. What do the rest of you do when dealing with firewall penetrations?
 
Fire ratings and assemblies are not NEC issues.

UL rated assemblies must be used to seal UL designed walls, ceilings, floors, etc..., this would be a building code issue.

These assemblies can be found in the UL Orange Book set (Fire Resistive Directory) and on the UL web site, the web site is not easy to seach though.

Roger
 
roger said:
Fire ratings and assemblies are not NEC issues.

UL rated assemblies must be used to seal UL designed walls, ceilings, floors, etc..., this would be a building code issue.

These assemblies can be found in the UL Orange Book set (Fire Resistive Directory) and on the UL web site, the web site is not easy to seach though.

Roger
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:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
 
I think Roger's answer is very appropriate and informative. I am half tempted to delete your post. I will be consulting with the other moderators...
 
Hertz Electric said:
:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
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Yeah, Roger's post was really out of line providing the references to the question asked.




BTW, no one speaks for me, I speak for myself.:grin:
 
Uhh...

Uhh...

I just asked a simple question. but, please gentleman, continue. Love to learn new things. When the bell rings, come out fightin' and no hits below the belt.
 
While I might agree there are some high horses on the forum - I am sure he answered the question directly - sure shot.... :roll:

Lets go pick on Don now...... :grin:
 
Hertz Electric said:
:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
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WOW Roger....


You really know to pull the aces from the bottom of the deck!

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What did you do to this person?????


:D :D
 
frizbeedog said:
so... any other usefull information?
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Well I don't want to get yelled at but Roger pretty much spelled out how it works. You can also get info from the companies that make fire resistant products like Hilti etc.
 
Hertz Electric said:
:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
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Friend of yours Roger? 2 posts and tired already? If you don't have thick skin here it Hertz!
 
I should reprieve my poke at high horses and referencing Don.... It was in jest....;)

But Roger did pretty much nail the topic and question down - easily.

Maybe someones team is having some trouble today?????
 
Hertz Electric said:
:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
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what the farad is that all about ?
 
Well, best I can figure out is Hertz is hurt that he didn't get to reply first. :wink:

Just had to say that, couldn't help myself. :grin:

Roger
 
Hertz Electric said:
:mad: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY WE ARE ALL GETTING TIRED OF YOUR "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE.
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Geez.. who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
 
roger said:
Fire ratings and assemblies are not NEC issues.

UL rated assemblies must be used to seal UL designed walls, ceilings, floors, etc..., this would be a building code issue.

These assemblies can be found in the UL Orange Book set (Fire Resistive Directory) and on the UL web site, the web site is not easy to seach though.

Roger
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rerefer to original question. (not that i don't appreciate the info). So... Any intelligent thoughts as to whay this is left to building codes.
 
Most of the cable and raceway manufacturer's provide UL system details their products are listed with. The fire protection companies do the same. Hilti also prvides some good online fire stop courses that are free.

I require UL system detail for the through and membrane penetrations (based on the type of assembly penetrated) to be provide with the construction documents at the time of plan review.

We even have a fire wall rough that is a separate inspection from the regular wall rough. It is usually done in conjunction with the first fire wall screw pattern inspection.
 
frizbeedog said:
rerefer to original question. (not that i don't appreciate the info). So... Any intelligent thoughts as to whay this is left to building codes.
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Because fire wall integrity is within the scope of the building codes and NOT within the scope of the NEC. See 90.1. An electrical hazard is not created by not properly closing openings in rated walls, thus not subject matter of the NEC.

This is the same reason the NEC doesn't contain provisions or smoke alarms.
 
frizbeedog said:
Any intelligent thoughts as to whay this is left to building codes.
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I make no promises as to this answers intelligence but IMO it is because it is not an electrical issue, it is a building construction issue.

The same rules that apply to electrical penetrations apply to duct work and plumbing penetrations.

Did you check the link to Hilti Firestop systems I already provided?
 
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