First pool Please Help

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lucky1974

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I am Wiing a pool for the first time and am a little confused.I would appreciate a little guidance.

1. if the pump is within 5-10 ft. from wall it has to be a single, locking, gfci protected grounding outlet.

2. does 680.22(3) say that i also need a general purpose receptical within 10-20 feet of pool.

3. 680.26 says i have to bond all metal parts with a solid # 8 conductor.where do i bond this to a ground rod by pool or to the ground conductor of my pump circuit.This has me confused?


My plan was to run 3/4 rigid conduit with a weathertight box & in use cover with required recepticle to a post by pool.Pull 12 awg and protect it with a gfci breaker.But if i have to also install a general purpose recepticle close by there, can i feed this off the same circuit.

Thanks For Your Help
 
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Is this an in ground pool? If it is an above ground pool how deep is it? Does it have a light?
I am guessing by your first question that it is an above ground pool but need to know for sure before a correct answer can be given.

Have you passed your test yet? (profile)
 
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There are a lot of varibales,so tell us more detail.The number 8 solid goes from all metal parts of pool to the lug on motor.NO ground rod needed but ok if you want one.You will need a gfci receptacle between 10 and 20 feet.I highly suggest reading 680 a few times.It is confusing to even guys that done it 20 times.A lot of liability is involved here so i suggest over kill and get it permitted and inspected.Would be better to get it inspected than end up in court someday.Put the burden on the inspector and cover your a$$.Pools are not easy.
 
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#1 Correct
#2 Yes you need a receptacle as you described.
#3 Bond all metal parts together with the #8 solid cu and connect to the lug that is on the motor.

I'd run pvc rather than metal. If the pool is all metal bolted together you really only need to connect the bonding conductor to it once. I usually hit it more than once but I think it is overkill.
 
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Hi , The pool is 4' deepand it is above ground.The pool is all plastic except for 4 inner rails to join the skin together, with a plastic decorative piece over it.Job will be permited and inspected.100' trench so thats why i was thinking of using rigid. Thanks
 
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I was going to try to use the outlet on the back of the house for the general use receptacle, about 15 feet away.It is already existing-If i can get away with this.and put the pump outlet 6-8 feet away.Homeowner doesn't want pump outlet over 10' from edge(to far out in to yard)
 
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I havent got my results back yet.Thanks for asking, i willing post when i get my score.Michigan asks 80 questions, need 75% to pass.I feel pretty confident, i answered about 45 questions off the top of my head.Lots of them i got from reading in here. Thanks
 
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I usually put the pump receptacle right at 5 feet to keep it close to the pump itself. I would certainly use the existing receptacle if it is between ten and twenty feet from the pool.

[ June 30, 2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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Here is the main sections that you asked about. You should read parts I and II and understand them before beginning

Permanently Installed Swimming, Wading, and Therapeutic Pools. Those that are constructed in the ground or partially in the ground, and all others capable of holding water in a depth greater than 1.0 m (42 in.), and all pools installed inside of a building, regardless of water depth, whether or not served by electrical circuits of any nature.

680.20 General. Electrical installations at permanently installed pools shall comply with the provisions of Part I and Part II of this article.

680.21 (A) (5) Cord-and-Plug Connections. Pool-associated motors shall be permitted to employ cord-and-plug connections. The flexible cord shall not exceed 900 mm (3 ft) in length. The flexible cord shall include an equipment grounding conductor sized in accordance with 250.122 and shall terminate in a grounding-type attachment plug.

680.22 ((A)
(1) Circulation and Sanitation System, Location. Receptacles that provide power for water-pump motors or for other loads directly related to the circulation and sanitation system shall be located at least 3.0 m (10 ft) from the inside walls of the pool, or not less than 1.5 m (5 ft) from the inside walls of the pool if they meet all of the following conditions:
(1) Consist of single receptacles
(2) Employ a locking configuration
(3) Are of the grounding type
(4) Have GFCI protection

(3) Dwelling Unit(s). Where a permanently installed pool is installed at a dwelling unit(s), no fewer than one 125-volt 15- or 20-ampere receptacle on a general-purpose branch circuit shall be located not less than 3.0 m (10 ft) from, and not more than 6.0 m (20 ft) from, the inside wall of the pool. This receptacle shall be located not more than 2.0 m (6 ft 6 in.) above the floor, platform, or grade level serving the pool.

680.26 (B)
(1) Metallic Structural Components. All metallic parts of the pool structure,
(4) Electrical Equipment. Metal parts of electrical equipment associated with the pool water circulating system, including pump motors and metal parts of equipment associated with pool covers, including electric motors, shall be bonded.
(5) Metal Wiring Methods and Equipment. Metal-sheathed cables and raceways, metal piping,


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Hi, One more thing the pump is double insulated.So i am guessing i will only have to bond the sprinkler valve, and pool to the rigid conduit?is this correct.I am doing this for a friend to gain experience outside of my industrial setting.How much would you guys charge for a job comparable to this.House is 110 feet from where pool pump will be.
 
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Interesting: the receptacle must be at least 10' from the pool, and the motor must have a cord no longer than 3', inferring that the pump must be at least 7' from the pool.
 
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Ok so you are going to the 6 ft rule for cord connects :D

Word of advice don`t do work for friends I have usually got bit ;)
 
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Originally posted by LarryFine:
Interesting: the receptacle must be at least 10' from the pool, and the motor must have a cord no longer than 3', inferring that the pump must be at least 7' from the pool.
Larry you have to read the whole thing.
 
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