Fixtures Listed as "Not For Use in Dwellings"

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Are fixtures labelled with the words "not for use in dwellings" permitted in attached garages? Does the definition of a dwelling encompass all of the attached structures or just the living space?
 
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If you are looking for an NEC answer, I don't think you will find it. The NEC does not define "dwelling," but rather defines "dwelling unit." I'm not trying to be a smarty pants. I'm just pointing out that the manufacturers of such equipment are not constrained by the NEC, and don't have to use the same language.

My view is that the manufacturer intended that statement to apply to the living quarters only. But then, one house I owned a couple centuries ago (or so it seems) had a "room over the garage." The staircase to that room was located just off the kitchen, immediately next to the door to the garage. So where would I draw the line between "living quarters" and "the rest of the property"? :confused:
 
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This doesn't answer the OP question, but can anyone explain the reasoning behind such a prohibition?
 
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Maybe there is more info. in the installation instructions.

Heat could be one reason why a fixture might not be permitted in a dwelling.
I would find another fixture .
 
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Here are a whole bunch of definitions;

Definitions of dwelling on the Web:

housing that someone is living in; "he built a modest dwelling near the pond"; "they raise money to provide homes for the homeless"

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A house in its most general sense is a human-built dwelling with enclosing walls, a floor, and a roof. It provides shelter against precipitation, wind, heat, cold and intruding humans and animals. When occupied as a routine dwelling for humans, a house is called a home (though animals may often live in the house as well, both domestic pets and "unauthorised" animals such as mice living in the walls). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwelling

A self-contained residential unit, occupied by (i) a person or group of people living together as a family, or (ii) by not more than six residents living together as a single household (including a household where care is provided for residents).
www.southampton.gov.uk/environment/development-control/planning-terms.asp

Dwelling means any residential structure whether or not attached to real property, including condominium and cooperative units and mobile or manufactured homes. It refers to both one-to-four-family and multifamily structures. Recreational vehicles such as boats or campers are not dwellings under HMDA.
www.ffiec.gov/hmda/glossary.htm

A house, home, living unit. Generally refers to a building designed for use as a living space.
www.krisholmes.com/gloss-d.htm
The house or another structure in which a person lives; a residence.
www.courts.mo.gov/osca/index.nsf/0/8b69295b674dde2186256e15004ea27f

means any building, structure, or portion thereof which is occupied as, or designed or intended for occupancy as, a residence by one or more families, and any vacant land which is offered for sale or lease for the construction or location thereon of any such building, structure, or portion thereof.
stlouis.missouri.org/501c/ehoc/glossary.html

Any structure containing dwelling units, including all dwelling classifications covered by the Title.
www.portlandonline.com/auditor/index.cfm

A dwelling which is subject to a planning condition or legal agreement restricting occupation to someone employed, or was last employed, in agriculture, forestry or other appropriate rural employment.
www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/government/en/1115310681665.html

Structure or portion thereof used for residential habitation.
www.emgcorp.com/whatshot/dictionary.php

"Dwelling" means any building used as a permanent residence or place of domicile. [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, ?2 (new); c. 614, ?9 (aff).]
janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/12/title12sec13001.html

"Dwelling" means a building or portion thereof used exclusively for residential purposes, including one-family, two-family and multiple family dwelling(s), but not including hotels or boarding houses.
www.co.mendocino.ca.us/planning/PermitPlace/
PermitPlace72.htm

A separate set of living quarters with a private entrance from outside the building, or from a common hallway or stairway inside. For example, a single house, each unit in an apartment building, etc. A dwelling may be occupied by one person, by one family, or by a combination of these groups.
www.statcan.ca/english/kits/housev.htm

A building, or portion of a building where people live.
www.actpla.act.gov.au/spatialplan/6_glossary/

The building in which a person lives.
www.kirkhomes.com/service_center/glossary_d.cfm

Means any building which is wholly or partly used or arranged or designed to be used for living or sleeping by human occupants; provided, that temporary housing shall not be regarded as a dwelling.
www.hartford.gov/L&I/housingcode_inspections/definition.htm

In general terms a dwelling is defined as a set of living quarters. A private dwelling is a separate set of living quarters with a private access. A collective dwelling may be institutional, communal or commercial in nature. Of the different types of collective dwellings, only communal dwellings are covered in the SLID and the SCF.
prod.library.utoronto.ca:8090/datalib/codebooks/cstdsp/13f0022/2001/famdef.htm

a structure where people reside as distinguished from a warehouse, retail store, or any other building.
www.patrons.com/html/body_glossary.html

a building made for people to live in, especially one built for a single family of occupants
encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/house.html

The living quarters occupied, or intended for occupancy, by a household.
www.federated.ca/gloss/d.htm

I guess it depends on who defines it.
 
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Originally posted by hurk27:
By John: but can anyone explain the reasoning behind such a prohibition?
Yes how about voltage 410.80(B)
True enough, but the ones I've seen marked "not for use in dwellings" are ordinary flourescent fixtures (excuse me, luminaires ;) )made for use at 120V.
 
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I'm guessing... that the new energy-efficiency codes might not meet residential standards, so labeling them "not for use in dwellings" allows the manufacturers to continue producing fixtures that are "not intended for residential use."

I know residential refrigerators must meet stricter standards for energy efficiency based on cu.ft, yet in a commercial establishment they can install an evaporator into a plywood box and call it a refrigerator if they want.
 
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I think its that or ballast noise. I've seen many ballasts with a "commercial use only" label and was told it was because of noise. I'm assuming this means they are noisier. A power factor value could be another reason for this labeling if the power factor is crappy but the commercial sites will be charged for bad power factor if they don't correct it externally.
 
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Infinity,

I'm going the legal aspect route,say this was installed in a garage and a fire broke out,for whatever reason it goes to court I'm sitting as part of the jury hearing the lawyer say "Not for use in dwellings" and so on as lawyers do.
I would find it hard to believe a not guilty would come back,because it was in the garage of that dwelling.jmo
 
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The wording "Not for use in dwellings" is required by UL when a fixture gets so hot as to likely ignite drapery, or other easily flammable materials.

It is reasoned that a lamp with lots of free air circulating around it, or that is not surrounded by fabrics and such, can be allowed to reach a higher temperature than what you would wan in your house.
 
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