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Flex conduit

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Alwayslearningelec

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NJ
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Estimator
Have customer wanting flex conduit(did not describe type yet) run underground for temporary application. About 500'. It's going to contain fiber cables. Should flex be run underground even if it only has fiber and is temporary? Thanks
 

infinity

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You would need to use a fiber that was listed for direct burial since the FMC is just a sleeve. Not sure why you would use FMC it seems like a dumb choice when you could something like an armored direct burial cable.
 

SceneryDriver

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NJ
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Electrical and Automation Designer
Liquidtite (LFMC or LFNC) are suitable for direct burial of so marked and most are.


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tom baker

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The inner duct is stiffer and will have less “wiggles” than LTNMC. It would be very challenging to run LTMNC straight
 

SceneryDriver

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NJ
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IMO that would be the best choice. Direct burial innerduct typically bright orange so it's highly visible. Also it's smooth so pulling the fiber through it shouldn't be a problem. Pulling fiber through 500' of FMC might not be that easy.
This is the best choice. I have pulled through buried LFNC and it sucks, even when using wire lube. I mentioned that you can bury Liquidtite - I never said it was a good idea 😆


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kwired

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NE Nebraska
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EC
I hate LFMC with a passion. I mean could they have chosen a material with a higher coefficient of friction???
If you stretch it really tight and straight it isn't nearly as bad.

ENT is same way. With corrugated interior some say it should pull easier than rigid PVC because of less surface contact - probably true but only if you get it really straight
 

don_resqcapt19

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Illinois
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If you stretch it really tight and straight it isn't nearly as bad.

ENT is same way. With corrugated interior some say it should pull easier than rigid PVC because of less surface contact - probably true but only if you get it really straight
My experience was that it pulled easier than EMT, even with bends, but was almost impossible to slide wires by each other. Short runs with very tight 90s could easily be pushed.
 

kwired

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NE Nebraska
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EC
My experience was that it pulled easier than EMT, even with bends, but was almost impossible to slide wires by each other. Short runs with very tight 90s could easily be pushed.
If you have it stretched straight and tight, maybe. That has not really been my experience. Though I'd say I haven't really used all that much ENT and probably seldom had it perfectly straight as possible and pulled tight. I do know if you do have turns you definitely want those turns to be rather secure or pulling conductors tries to pull the raceway at the turn.
 

don_resqcapt19

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If you have it stretched straight and tight, maybe. That has not really been my experience. Though I'd say I haven't really used all that much ENT and probably seldom had it perfectly straight as possible and pulled tight. I do know if you do have turns you definitely want those turns to be rather secure or pulling conductors tries to pull the raceway at the turn.
My experience was with two project where we installed the ENT just like we installed EMT. We did not secure the bends, just supported it as requied by the code. We had zero issues with the installation of the conductors, other than pulling loops as I stated in my previous post. There were very few straight runs, and most had at least two 90s. For short runs we pushed the wire just like we would in EMT. For longer runs we used a fish tape.

The first time I saw it was actually before the NEC permitted the product because of the shenanigans by Allied Tube in keeping ENT out of the code for one cycle. It was a prison job and the door frame manufacture had installed the ENT from the door position switch on the top of the jamb to the locking mechanism. They bent it as tight as physically possible when they made the corner from the top jamb to the side. When I looked at it, I thought there would be no way to get the wires in....but the 18 AWG stranded slid right down the ENT. It was bent way tighter than even a short radius conduit bender would bend it.
 
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