Follow-up to overload protection

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Here is the problem from page 288 in Mike Holt's "Electrical NEC Exam Preparation" book based on the 2005 NEC:

If a dual-element fuse is used for the overload protection, what size fuse is required for a 50 hp, 460V, 3-phase motor, with a temperature rise of 39 degrees C, and a motor nameplate current rating of 60A (FLA)?

Answer: 70A.

Because the temperature rise is 40 degrees, or less in this case, the nameplate amps is multiplied by 125%. So, 60A x 125% = 75%. And it says in the problem that "The next size up rule does not apply when fuses are used for overload protection". So according to section 240.6(A), the next standard fuse size down from 75A is 70A, thus 70A is the answer given in the book.

So after multiplying the nameplate amperage by the proper percentage, whether it is 125%, 115%, etc., (whether it is a fuse, thermal o.l., dashpot, relay, etc.), and the answer does not correspond with a standard o.l. size, do you go to the next size down regardless of what type of o.l. it is? And where in the NEC is it stated? I know I am probably making this more difficult than it really it, but 2 friends and I have 3 different points of view, and we would like to resolve this matter before we have to take the state exam. Thank you.
 
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Here is the problem from page 288 in Mike Holt's "Electrical NEC Exam Preparation" book based on the 2005 NEC:

If a dual-element fuse is used for the overload protection, what size fuse is required for a 50 hp, 460V, 3-phase motor, with a temperature rise of 39 degrees C, and a motor nameplate current rating of 60A (FLA)?

Answer: 70A.

Because the temperature rise is 40 degrees, or less in this case, the nameplate amps is multiplied by 125%. So, 60A x 125% = 75%. And it says in the problem that "The next size up rule does not apply when fuses are used for overload protection". So according to section 240.6(A), the next standard fuse size down from 75A is 70A, thus 70A is the answer given in the book.

So after multiplying the nameplate amperage by the proper percentage, whether it is 125%, 115%, etc., (whether it is a fuse, thermal o.l., dashpot, relay, etc.), and the answer does not correspond with a standard o.l. size, do you go to the next size down regardless of what type of o.l. it is? And where in the NEC is it stated? I know I am probably making this more difficult than it really it, but 2 friends and I have 3 different points of view, and we would like to resolve this matter before we have to take the state exam. Thank you.
 
answer for Rob:

answer for Rob:

Yes, the numbers are absolutely correct, as I have the book right here in front of me.
 

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Yes, the numbers are absolutely correct, as I have the book right here in front of me.

Ahh at first I missed the part about overload protection.

Here's the relevant code Section:

430.32(A) More Than 1 Horsepower. Each motor used in a continuous duty application and rated more than 1 hp shall be protected against overload by one of the means in 430.32(A)(1) through (A)(4).
(1) Separate Overload Device. A separate overload device that is responsive to motor current. This device shall be selected to trip or shall be rated at no more than the following percent of the motor nameplate full-load current rating:
Motors with a marked service factor 1.15 or greater 125%
Motors with a marked temperature rise 40?C or less 125%
All other motors 115%
 
Thanks, guys, for the answers to overload problem

Thanks, guys, for the answers to overload problem

It looks as if sizing down is probably the rule of thumb, since it says in 430.32(A)(1) that the device shall be rated at "no more than" the correct applied percentages. My friends and I are fairly new to the code, we're getting there.

Thanks again, guys.
 
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