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petersonra mentioned in this thread that he had never seen NM in cable tray.


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One of the best things about this trade is the feeling of pride you have after completing some jobs.
Bundling ? what bundling ? strapping? what strapping ?
 
I am happy to say this is not the work of the companies I have worked for. :cool:

But we do have to bid against ECs like this. :mad:
 
iwire said:
I am happy to say this is not the work of the companies I have worked for. :cool:

But we do have to bid against ECs like this. :mad:
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I know "cost is king" way too often, but those pics vs some of your work should be a part of your bid :D
 
For the first time since joining this forum, I felt like throwing up.

However, that's not a reason to hate romex. It's a reason to hate those with no pride in their work.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Care to tell why anyone would do this. Looks large to be using romex. What about bundling problems ? I somehow was sure it not your work.
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It is a 80,000 to 100,000 sq ft supermarket, we have used NM for these same stores but it has never looked like this.

At this point we use MC for these stores.
 
iwire said:
It was and it is in service.
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Bob if you have to compete against installation practices like that I don't know how you could ever be awarded a contract. A good inspector is a contractors friend, he would keep the playing field code complient. I think that the inspector that approved this installation must be somebody elses friend!
 
SEO said:
Bob if you have to compete against installation practices like that I don't know how you could ever be awarded a contract. A good inspector is a contractors friend, he would keep the playing field code complient. I think that the inspector that approved this installation must be somebody elses friend!
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They can't tag because of ugly. I am surprised that nm would be allowed in a store of this size. Hate to think what happens in a fire with people trying to breath while getting out.
On bright side if Bob was there chances are was to do work. That usually means customer didn't like the first guy.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
They can't tag because of ugly. I am surprised that nm would be allowed in a store of this size. Hate to think what happens in a fire with people trying to breath while getting out.
On bright side if Bob was there chances are was to do work. That usually means customer didn't like the first guy.
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Jim I'm only looking at the things that I can see from the picture. Bundling and straping. But in all fairness maybe they derated the bundled nm cable.
 
When work as bad as this is inspected and passed, it will lend itself towards becoming normal work. At that point it is hard to blame just the installer, as the inspector is the last line of "defense" in this case.
So I blame the inspection process here, the GC, the owner of the place for allowing this to occur.
Their misunderstanding that saving money means poor work is just wrong.


P.S.
Send me to that job.;)
 
SEO said:
....... But in all fairness maybe they derated the bundled nm cable.
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If this was a store of any decent size (by todays' standards), I'd expect to see a lot more 10 and 8. Instead, I see about 50% 12, 40% 14 and 10% 10.

What size breaker you think they're using on all that 14?

Pierre C Belarge said:
When work as bad as this is inspected and passed, it will lend itself towards becoming normal work. At that point it is hard to blame just the installer, as the inspector is the last line of "defense" in this case.
So I blame the inspection process here, the GC, the owner of the place for allowing this to occur.
Their misunderstanding that saving money means poor work is just wrong.


P.S.
Send me to that job.;)
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I can't imagine a grocery store built without plans and specs. Could this travesty have been prevented at plan revue by the AHJ?
 
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Pierre C Belarge said:
When work as bad as this is inspected and passed, it will lend itself towards becoming normal work. At that point it is hard to blame just the installer, as the inspector is the last line of "defense" in this case.
So I blame the inspection process here, the GC, the owner of the place for allowing this to occur.
Their misunderstanding that saving money means poor work is just wrong.


P.S.
Send me to that job.;)
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I'll go with you.:smile:
 
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