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It has been pointed out that the forum rules are hard to find.

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Thanks, Bob.

One of the new members pointed out that the rules and disclaimers seen when registering mentioned nothing about our posts not being used in "legal disputes", and he was right. After looking around, I discovered that none of the rules were visible at all to active members in the new format of the forum, and brought it up via PM to Bob.

I think it's a good idea to have the rules accessible, so members can see and reference them.
 
That is pretty much the deal.

The same member had contacted me about not seeing the rules.

George asked if I could post the rules and make them a sticky.

I think that was an excellent suggestion. :)
 
Could we perhaps make some kind of check list that want to be members must select to prove they read everything and are qualified and not even gain entrance to read untill doing so.If need be make us all redo to stay on.Something needs to happen and i vote to let Bob fix it.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Could we perhaps make some kind of check list that want to be members must select to prove they read everything and are qualified and not even gain entrance to read untill doing so.
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How many people actually read the EULA.txt that comes with software they buy? Many MS products make you "read" to the end before the "OK" check box becomes an option - or you just scroll to the bottom and it becomes enabled ;)

Short of an actual test....

Jim W in Tampa said:
i vote to let Bob fix it.
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I second the motion!
 
I say let sleeping dogs lie.

I'd rather deal with DIYers and solicitors than lose the broad mix of fruits and nuts we get in here that do belong, and bring different views in. :)

Do you gripe about flushing your toilet, or is it just a fact of life? ;)
 
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Jim W in Tampa said:
Could we perhaps make some kind of check list that want to be members must select to prove they read everything and are qualified and not even gain entrance to read untill doing so.
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No.

As far as I am concerned we will take people at their word unless something happens to show that they have not been honest.

Many times Charlie will lock a thread he has suspicions about than give the person a chance to respond.

At times he has reopened threads once the person contacted Charlie with more info.

In my personal opinion that is how it should stay.



One last thing......can you imagine the controversy of trying to make a test that would do the job we all want it to?
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Each question would result in 500 post threads over what is an acceptable answer and is the question really fair to all.
 
iwire said:
One last thing......can you imagine the controversy of trying to make a test that would do the job we all want it to?
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Each question would result in 500 post threads over what is an acceptable answer and is the question really fair to all.
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You should start that thread...I can't see it going 500 posts :)

Just pick ONE question...not the ground up/down debate....or 3-ways on stairs...or the #14 switchleg on a 20A ckt...a good one ;)
 
iwire said:
No.

As far as I am concerned we will take people at their word unless something happens to show that they have not been honest.

Many times Charlie will lock a thread he has suspicions about than give the person a chance to respond.

At times he has reopened threads once the person contacted Charlie with more info.

In my personal opinion that is how it should stay.



One last thing......can you imagine the controversy of trying to make a test that would do the job we all want it to?
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Each question would result in 500 post threads over what is an acceptable answer and is the question really fair to all.
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I was not suggesting a test.Just one of them where you answer basic things like (are you an electrician or working in this field ,yes or no) (have you read and understand the policy on diy) Simply maybe 10 easy fast questions that makes them read first.A diy could still bluff his way but not my accident.
 
Jim, given the fact that we still don't have even the smileys up and running, I doubt they'll get into anything even that involved. :D

Edit to add: Log out (if you remember your password) and go into the registration process - I think the very first item is the same as the top of the rules. It's painfully clear that we don't service DIYers here. I think they just figure we won't know or care, IMO.
 
For that matter, there are "advanced level" DIY's on this site who's user names I recognize from other sites. They've been bluffing here for years, formulate their questions with care, and they've made it through the "DIY sniff test". That's okay with me, as they don't waste my time with 'how do I wire a 3-way switch' or 'what gauge to I use for..." foolishness.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Simply maybe 10 easy fast questions that makes them read first.A diy could still bluff his way but not my accident.
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The problem with that is:
How about a first year apprentice..first job...real hard-nosed journeyman...the kid asks "Why?"; the JW bites his head-off...he finds this place to ask "Why?"

Could be something "easy" like inches from box for a staple - or a bit more "complex", like how an ATS operates.

These are the people I would think we would want to ENCOURAGE to ask the "easy" questions...not be stuck trying to figure it out on their own.

BUT...

I'm all ears/eyes....start the list (and see if we hit 500 ;) )
 
How to wire a 4-way switch. I think every house needs at least one, just to mess with people's heads.

And why is it called a 4-way if you need one when you have only 3 switches? Why aren't 3-ways called 2-ways? And why are travellers called travellers? They aren't going anywhere. And why is a switch-leg called a switch-leg if it goes up from the switch to the fixture? Why isn't it called a switch-arm? And how come 120/240 is called single phase, but 120/208Y is called three phase? Whatever happened to 2 phase? Is that the same place that the 2-way switch went to?

:D
 
tallgirl said:
How to wire a 4-way switch. I think every house needs at least one, just to mess with people's heads.

And why is it called a 4-way if you need one when you have only 3 switches? Why aren't 3-ways called 2-ways? And why are travellers called travellers? They aren't going anywhere. And why is a switch-leg called a switch-leg if it goes up from the switch to the fixture? Why isn't it called a switch-arm? And how come 120/240 is called single phase, but 120/208Y is called three phase? Whatever happened to 2 phase? Is that the same place that the 2-way switch went to?


OY. Why ask Why. The question should be " are you a DIY or homer"?
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mdshunk said:
How did this "sticky" end up being the only one that's not locked?
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I was going to lock them all, I decided to leave one open for member comments.

I figured I would leave the one in the busiest forum open.

If I left them all open it would be a mess trying to follow along with all the same thread titles. :)
 
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