FPL comes clean

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zog

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Charlotte, NC
Thats the same info I heard 3 minutes after it happened yesterday, what was the misinformation the media provided?

Were you affected?
 

chris kennedy

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zog said:
Thats the same info I heard 3 minutes after it happened yesterday, what was the misinformation the media provided?

Were you affected?
Initial reports on the local news radio had FPL spokespersons stating a fault had occured at a substation west of Miami and that the system operated as designed? She stated that only 700,000 were affected. At the time I knew this was a crock. I have been dealing with FPL for 15 or more years and am sorry to say I have little respect for thier operation.

My job site was one of the pockets that was unaffected.
 

wirenut1980

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Plainfield, IN
It will be interesting to see what actually happened, because a fault in a substation (unless the substation was located at the generating plant) obviously should not cause generating units to trip offline. There had to be at least one failure of the protection scheme, or some sort of voltage sag sensitivity of equipment at the generating plants.
 

480sparky

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chris kennedy said:
I had my finger on the trigger this morning to fire off a thread attacking Florida Power and Light for the misinformation thier spokespersons delievered to the media yesterday. Glad I didn't as I found this.

You doin' high-voltage stuff again, Chris??:grin:

I heard about this...... thought of you....
 

djohns6

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Louisiana
I heard some of the guys at work talking about the outtage . Supposedly they had a couple of 500kv lines out of service for maint . Then they had a fault somewhere that lasted OVER 30 CYCLES ! In the high voltage world , that's an eternity . Breaker Failure protection schemes operated and the rest is history . I can't wait to see the actual sequence of events reports .
 

charlie tuna

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Florida
FP & L will come up with something that won't admit operator error or poor design. i have seen there operation first hand. they cover their butts first and then speak up!! i have caught them in some real tight situations concerning some major damage --- the truth went right out the window. and if your working for them -- watch out what you say -- because if you make the wrong statement -- it could cost you your job!!!
 

djohns6

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Louisiana
They are going to have a tough time keeping this one under wraps . There is so much goverment oversight now , it's going to come to light .
There's NERC , SERC , and probably a few others . I work for a utility co.
down South , and a lot of that info is going to filter in over time . I'll share what I can . Isn't the Governor of Florida a Republican ? There's sure to be Congressional hearings . right ? :roll:
 

mxslick

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Wanna bet it was....

Wanna bet it was....

...the same substation featured in THIS FAMOUS VIDEO

On another forum I had a brief dialog with one of the FPL workers familiar with that substation..after I commented that this substation had a very poor design (This video was the first time it caught fire, a few years later it had an even bigger fire, caused by a cat(!) getting across a breaker bus HERE'S THE THREAD**CAUTION: CONTAINS DISTURBING IMAGES**) he remarked that the design of the facility was sound, but that there was high current density in that station. :confused:

So I replied that if the design WAS sound, then the high current density should not be an issue, right?

Never got a reply to that question. :)
 
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mxslick

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bhsrnd said:


That site is a goldmine of information..to find out about power outages all over the US, use the "NERC Fast Links", select "Disturbance Reports" to get a list of PDF files of outage reports for about the last 11 years or so. Some of the earlier reports include pictures of transformer fires, etc. as part of the reports.
 

djohns6

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Louisiana
What the heck is " high current density " ? Is that the same as " Available fault current " , or is the station just operating at near capacity ?
 
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mxslick

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djohns6 said:
What the heck is " high current density " ? Is that the same as " Available fault current " , or is the station just operating at near capacity ?


I was wondering the same thing....:grin:

I think he meant that the station had all circuits loaded to near it's maximum allowable capacity....with no reserve margin. A common POCO (POwer COmpany) practice, especially with distribution transformers (A lot of which operate at over 120% of capacity for several hours a day.)

As a footnote, I used to work at an amusement park here in So Cal. Thier 12kv metalclad switchgear for the entire park was located in the service yard for our department. When they added the big water attraction to the park I asked the EE on site if the gear had the capacity to handle the extra load. He said it would be loaded to about 98% of capacity, calculated.

Obviously it was bad practice to load HV gear that heavily without leaving a buffer of capacity. (Another EE told me that "industry standard" is to try not to load above 75-85% cont. duty).

Six months later I watched on the news as the switchgear exploded into flames and that EE and the park's engineering head tried to shoo the cameras away. :rolleyes:

The cause of the explosion? A momentary sag from the POCO caused all the load in the park to drop then abruptly come back on, all at the same time. The inrush of all the transformers and ride motors, etc. overstressed the gear.

Can we say oops?
 

zog

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Charlotte, NC
As of today FP&L reported that human error caused this large blackout. Apparently 2 protection systems were defeated by a field engineer in the substation.
 

mxslick

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SE Idaho
mxslick said:
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(This video was the first time it caught fire, a few years later it had an even bigger fire, caused by a cat(!) getting across a breaker bus HERE'S THE THREAD**CAUTION: CONTAINS DISTURBING IMAGES**)


Check out the link to the second fire..bad kitty!!
 
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