Free Code Book?
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charlie
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that is interesting. I can see the amendments being made available but not a copyrighted document.
that is interesting. I can see the amendments being made available but not a copyrighted document.
ryan_618
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I believe there was a lawsuit about this in Texas and, as stated before, it must be a public record.
I believe there was a lawsuit about this in Texas and, as stated before, it must be a public record.
txsparky
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Bennie,
Any idea when ? I personally would rather use the book.
Right now, the only place that I know of it being available is at a public library.
Donnie
Bennie,
Any idea when ? I personally would rather use the book.
Right now, the only place that I know of it being available is at a public library.
Donnie
bphgravity
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Heres the newsletter:
Heres the newsletter:
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This is like the motor vehicle driving code. The State adopting the articles will be responsible for printing and distribution of the book.
This could bring back each State having its own code.
I actually think the States will adopt the installation standards, not the NEC, and make the standards "recommended only" not mandatory. Liability will be on the installer.
This is like the motor vehicle driving code. The State adopting the articles will be responsible for printing and distribution of the book.
This could bring back each State having its own code.
I actually think the States will adopt the installation standards, not the NEC, and make the standards "recommended only" not mandatory. Liability will be on the installer.
bill addiss
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I think it would be foolish to expect FREE code books. Someone (maybe everyone) will have to pay for them. If the State or jurisdiction has to buy them or print them it will show up in increased taxes, or permit fees, or somewhere.
Bill
I think it would be foolish to expect FREE code books. Someone (maybe everyone) will have to pay for them. If the State or jurisdiction has to buy them or print them it will show up in increased taxes, or permit fees, or somewhere.
Bill
william runkle
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Well personally I do not mind paying for the NEC but how about getting the NEC Handbook free. I do realize that getting the NEC Handbook free will not happen. In Michigan the State gives their copy of the admendment free to all licensees, they must figured you would have to own a NEC to pass their test.
Well personally I do not mind paying for the NEC but how about getting the NEC Handbook free. I do realize that getting the NEC Handbook free will not happen. In Michigan the State gives their copy of the admendment free to all licensees, they must figured you would have to own a NEC to pass their test.
david
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I would think this requirement would be the same as any legal reference. There is a copy kept at the legal library at the courthouse, usually the county seat. That document is free for public viewing but cannot be checked out of the library. Our library charges 10 cents a page for any document you wish to copy.
I would think if you want a copy at home you?d have to buy your own.
I would think this requirement would be the same as any legal reference. There is a copy kept at the legal library at the courthouse, usually the county seat. That document is free for public viewing but cannot be checked out of the library. Our library charges 10 cents a page for any document you wish to copy.
I would think if you want a copy at home you?d have to buy your own.
pierre
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This is going to affect more than just the NEC, it is going to be interesting to see just how this will effect the construction industry. I bet this will take some time before we see the results of this ruling.
Pierre
This is going to affect more than just the NEC, it is going to be interesting to see just how this will effect the construction industry. I bet this will take some time before we see the results of this ruling.
Pierre
brian john
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This will most likely work itself out, the NEC may be free on websites, but the book will still be for sale. Law firms still like to own their books, as will most electricians. Heck I own 3 copies of the NEC (current issue) truck, home office and a handbook somewhere.
This will most likely work itself out, the NEC may be free on websites, but the book will still be for sale. Law firms still like to own their books, as will most electricians. Heck I own 3 copies of the NEC (current issue) truck, home office and a handbook somewhere.
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In regard to the court decision, how will this affect UL standards?
Oregon has a law that all electrical equipment and material be listed. Will this court ruling require the testing and listing standards be made available at no cost? The cost now is prohibitive to most individuals.
My son in law is a corporate attorney, he agreed the court decision will be difficult to over rule by another court. The law is clear when a procedure becomes a law or ordinance, the documents creating the law become public property.
In regard to the court decision, how will this affect UL standards?
Oregon has a law that all electrical equipment and material be listed. Will this court ruling require the testing and listing standards be made available at no cost? The cost now is prohibitive to most individuals.
My son in law is a corporate attorney, he agreed the court decision will be difficult to over rule by another court. The law is clear when a procedure becomes a law or ordinance, the documents creating the law become public property.
jxofaltrds
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"The court decision, as illustrated in Mike Holt's newsletter, indicates the NEC must be free, and available to everyone, when it is adopted into State law."
Free and available does not mean a free copy of the NEC will be available to everyone. The ORC (The Ohio Revised Code) is on the internet. This doesnot mean that the state has to give mean a written copy of it.
States and cities will still have to purchase the NEC. They will not be handing out free copies of it.
Mike P.
"The court decision, as illustrated in Mike Holt's newsletter, indicates the NEC must be free, and available to everyone, when it is adopted into State law."
Free and available does not mean a free copy of the NEC will be available to everyone. The ORC (The Ohio Revised Code) is on the internet. This doesnot mean that the state has to give mean a written copy of it.
States and cities will still have to purchase the NEC. They will not be handing out free copies of it.
Mike P.
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The code book does not have to be free, only the code.
Each State that adopts the NEC for enforcement will be required to print or post the code articles for access to everyone, at no cost.
It's the old law of the west...It is cruel and unusual punishment to charge the convict for the rope used to hang him.
The code book does not have to be free, only the code.
Each State that adopts the NEC for enforcement will be required to print or post the code articles for access to everyone, at no cost.
It's the old law of the west...It is cruel and unusual punishment to charge the convict for the rope used to hang him.
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Bennie,
Don
[ July 17, 2003, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: don_resqcapt19 ]
Bennie,
There is nothing in the 5th Circuit's opinion that requires that the code be made available online. The 5th Circuit only said that the online publication of a building code that has been adopted by a unit of government does not violate the copyright of the code publisher. The adopting authority must have it available for inspection and anyone would be permitted to make the adopted code available online without risk of copyright infringement, but no one is required to place the code text online. Note that at this time, this decision, only applies in the states of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Online publication of copyrighted codes in other states my be met with civil court lawsuits by the copyright holder.
Don
[ July 17, 2003, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: don_resqcapt19 ]
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Don: I don't mean that the court decision makes it necessary to furnish the written law free of charge.
It is a State law in most if not all states that all laws adopted must be accessible to the public at no cost.
Adopting the NEC has been in an illegal manner since day one. This will change.
Don: I don't mean that the court decision makes it necessary to furnish the written law free of charge.
It is a State law in most if not all states that all laws adopted must be accessible to the public at no cost.
Adopting the NEC has been in an illegal manner since day one. This will change.
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As previously noted, many municipalities have copies of the NEC and Ordinances for public view with-out cost. Furnishing a copy usually requires a fee per page.
The fee is for the cost of the paper and time, i.e., not for a profit.
[ July 06, 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: gwz2 ]
As previously noted, many municipalities have copies of the NEC and Ordinances for public view with-out cost. Furnishing a copy usually requires a fee per page.
The fee is for the cost of the paper and time, i.e., not for a profit.
[ July 06, 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: gwz2 ]
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