whirleywife
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When a section of a building (hospital) is on a gearswitch, does this give all the recepticales in that area the same protection as all GFCI?
Gear Switch
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russ
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Re: Gear Switch
230.95 Is Ground fault protection of equipment.
It is not the same as Ground fault protection for personel.
230.95 Is Ground fault protection of equipment.
It is not the same as Ground fault protection for personel.
Re: Gear Switch
Whirleywife, do you mean "switchgear" and assuming this is what you mean, you would be dealing with GFP vs GFCI. Ground Fault Protection (GFP) is at a much higher interupt rating, 30ma and higher where GFCI protection is 6ma or lower, so the answer is NO.
Notice GFCI protection is at the same value as "isolated power" alarm level.
Roger
Whirleywife, do you mean "switchgear" and assuming this is what you mean, you would be dealing with GFP vs GFCI. Ground Fault Protection (GFP) is at a much higher interupt rating, 30ma and higher where GFCI protection is 6ma or lower, so the answer is NO.
Notice GFCI protection is at the same value as "isolated power" alarm level.
Roger
russ
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Re: Gear Switch
Also look in Article 100 for Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter, and Ground Fault Protection of Equipment.
Also look in Article 100 for Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter, and Ground Fault Protection of Equipment.
whirleywife
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Re: Gear Switch
So, clarify. Protection on the service side is only protection for equipment. That is a switch gear. Protection for personnel would have to be between the circuit breaker and the receptacle. Is it true that past the circuit breaker you get into a higher amperage, which would be unrealistic in providing protection for personnel.
So, clarify. Protection on the service side is only protection for equipment. That is a switch gear. Protection for personnel would have to be between the circuit breaker and the receptacle. Is it true that past the circuit breaker you get into a higher amperage, which would be unrealistic in providing protection for personnel.
russ
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Re: Gear Switch
GFCI (protection for personel) can be a circuit breaker or a receptacle. As Roger pointed out GFCI is alot more sensitive that GFP. You would not want a whole panel and a large area of the buildings power being shut off because of a faulty piece of equipment, or because someone had a extension cord laying on the floor and it got wet at the cord cap.
GFCI (protection for personel) can be a circuit breaker or a receptacle. As Roger pointed out GFCI is alot more sensitive that GFP. You would not want a whole panel and a large area of the buildings power being shut off because of a faulty piece of equipment, or because someone had a extension cord laying on the floor and it got wet at the cord cap.
Re: Gear Switch
In short, "switchgear" is a term to describe distribution equipment. This can be Service Equipment or Equipment downstream from the Service Equipment.
GFP protection can be provided in many parts of this chain of distribution equipment.
GFCI protection in general (not always) is provided per circuit or outlet.
The questions you are asking are going to be hard to answer in depth on this type of forum.
I would suggest you try to take some electrical classes, it would be a big help in your understanding the job in front of you.
Roger
In short, "switchgear" is a term to describe distribution equipment. This can be Service Equipment or Equipment downstream from the Service Equipment.
GFP protection can be provided in many parts of this chain of distribution equipment.
GFCI protection in general (not always) is provided per circuit or outlet.
The questions you are asking are going to be hard to answer in depth on this type of forum.
I would suggest you try to take some electrical classes, it would be a big help in your understanding the job in front of you.
Roger
whirleywife
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Re: Gear Switch
roger, I do need some classes and am looking into that. But for now, I need answers. In reference to my previous posting, I went to electric closet and discovered that non of recepticals are on a GFCI circuit. All of the recepticales are near water and lots of equipment. The electrician pulled the "gear switch" excuse and told me to "shut up." He was the "authority having jurisdiction". Actually, the correct term is "compentent person" I believe. Anyway, I will ensure safety of personnel thru education at this point. I need to get electrical classes for future
roger, I do need some classes and am looking into that. But for now, I need answers. In reference to my previous posting, I went to electric closet and discovered that non of recepticals are on a GFCI circuit. All of the recepticales are near water and lots of equipment. The electrician pulled the "gear switch" excuse and told me to "shut up." He was the "authority having jurisdiction". Actually, the correct term is "compentent person" I believe. Anyway, I will ensure safety of personnel thru education at this point. I need to get electrical classes for future
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Good morning Whirleywife, please understand I'm on your side and my mention of taking classes was not meant to be derogatory.
The electrician appears to be showing he has a problem with your position and is not going to get on the wagon easily.
His statement that he is the competent person, may be, but the AHJ for your facility is JCAHO if the facility wants to keep it's accreditation.
This means if you identify a problem you must record it and have your records available if JCAHO walks in and ask to see them.
I would start submitting reports of your findings to administration and let them know you aren't getting any cooperation in the remedies to the violations.
Roger
[ February 06, 2004, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: roger ]
Good morning Whirleywife, please understand I'm on your side and my mention of taking classes was not meant to be derogatory.
The electrician appears to be showing he has a problem with your position and is not going to get on the wagon easily.
His statement that he is the competent person, may be, but the AHJ for your facility is JCAHO if the facility wants to keep it's accreditation.
This means if you identify a problem you must record it and have your records available if JCAHO walks in and ask to see them.
I would start submitting reports of your findings to administration and let them know you aren't getting any cooperation in the remedies to the violations.
Roger
[ February 06, 2004, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: roger ]
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