General Design Questions...

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I have some general Design questions

Question 1:

When trying to protect sensitive equipment,ie. computers, amplifiers, etc. What would you prefer??

TVSS on the panel feeding these loads, or on the main switchboard.

Question 2:

I get confused with the reason for using both TVSS and ISO Grounding on a system. I know one is for surges, like utility and lightning, but why use both?? What's the diffence??


Please help... :)
 
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Q1. Both the main and sub panels. The main should be a class "C" device rated not less than 120KA per mode. Use only L-N modes at the main. L-G, L-L, and N-G modes are redundant and are a waist of money. Try to find hybrid devices that use both MOV's as primary and SAD's as secondary.

At your sub panels use a class "B" device rated at least 60KA per mode. Here you can use an "all mode" devices. Look for hybrids same as main.

Just a note; a TVSS is not the best surge protection device you can get.

Q2. All IGR is good for is common mode noise rejection, and that is it. The results you can expect is no improvement, worse conditions, or desired effect. You are better off using dedicated SG receptacles using an EGC along with EMT. If CM noise is a big concern you get better results with a isolation transformer with dedicated SG receptacles, EGC, and EMT.

IGR can be useful on A/V applications if you take some precautions like run the IG all the way back to the N-G bond point, dedicated circuit, with EGC and EMT. Problem is if you interconnect equipment using a ground cable (like RS-232 or coax) the IGR is compromised by the loop they create.

Dereck

[ October 08, 2003, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: dereckbc ]
 
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Short answers: (1) The principal protection of TVSS belongs at the main panel, and supplemental protection can be added at the local panels, and (2) You can use both TVSS and ISO. Longer answers follow.

Transient Voltage Suppression Systems can protect against surges, as you have said. But they disregard the power distribution system at all other times. Absent a surge, they do nothing to monitor or alter the voltage or current waveform. (ASIDE - By contrast, several types of Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) Systems significantly alter the waveform. They take the incoming power, convert to DC, provide a backup battery system, and convert back to AC. The result is a far cleaner waveform, without regard to any anomalies in the incoming power system. END OF ASIDE) Lightning strikes and medium voltage switching (i.e., by the utility equipment) can cause surges. If you protect anything, you need to start by protecting the main switchboard. If the facility of interest has a large number of large motors, then their start and stop cycles can cause surges that might adversely impact other equipment in the building. Putting individual TVSS units at local panels can provide an additional level of protection against such internally-generated surges. It?s a matter of cost versus the reduction of risks, and is really the owner?s call.

An Isolated Ground System is a different animal. It consists of an Equipment Grounding Conductor (EGC) for the ?special equipment? that is separate from the EGC of all other equipment. The separate EGC is run all the way back to the point at which the service (or the separately derived system) has its connection to planet Earth. What this does is to prevent any variations in voltage within the EGC that serves ?common equipment? from influencing the ?zero reference point? upon which the proper operation of sensitive electronic equipment often depends. I am made to understand that the need for isolating the ground is becoming less and less important. However, I don?t know why this may be true, since the specialty of electronics is outside my interests. Someone else will have to take up the story from here.
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
<big snip>(ASIDE - By contrast, several types of Interruptible Power Supply (UPS) Systems significantly alter the waveform. They take the incoming power, convert to DC, provide a backup battery system, and convert back to AC. The result is a far cleaner waveform, without regard to any anomalies in the incoming power system. END OF ASIDE) <big snip>
True.

(ASIDE: Many cheaper UPS's corrupt the waveform by using ASW: Approximation-of-Sine-Wave. Some equipment mfg's will void the warranty of their product if it's placed on a UPS with ASW. When you call for Tech Support on your dead device they will ask you if it's on a UPS. Then they will ask you the brand & model #. If it's ASW they may deny you free warranty service).

Line Conditioners (Automatic Voltage Regulators,etc.) are another way to clean up the waveform. The good ones start at about $400 and go from there.
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
I am made to understand that the need for isolating the ground is becoming less and less important. However, I don?t know why this may be true, since the specialty of electronics is outside my interests. Someone else will have to take up the story from here.
Because the newer equipment uses balanced or optical signal transmission mediums rather than ground referenced transmission, i.e. coax, RS232, etc...

[ October 08, 2003, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: dereckbc ]
 
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Originally posted by dereckbc:
Originally posted by charlie b:
I am made to understand that the need for isolating the ground is becoming less and less important. However, I don?t know why this may be true, since the specialty of electronics is outside my interests. Someone else will have to take up the story from here.
Because the newer equipment uses balanced or optical signal transmission mediums rather than ground referenced transmission, i.e. coax, RS232, etc...
HUH?? :)
 
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English translation: If a signal gets from one box to another box via a fiber optic cable, it becomes unimportant if the two boxes do not have exactly the same ?zero reference? voltage (which is what an ISO would have given them). Therefore, they won?t need an isolated ground.
 
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