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Gaffen99

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A surgical center has multiple sterilizers on emer. power, on a transfer the office lost a lot of electronic equipment. Kohler tech said that the power draw from the sterilizers sent a surge through the rest of the system and caused the electronics to burn. Does this make any sense, and how do I rectify the problem. I thought about timing relays or surge supressors on the equipment breakers.?
 

nakulak

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have you consulted with the engineer who sized the generator ?
what did the monitoring show ?
do you have the kohler software so you can view the event ?
is the generator undersized ?
what are the loads ?
do you have automatic load shedding ?
do you have a drawing to post ?
 

chris kennedy

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60 yr old tool twisting electrician
Gaffen99 said:
Kohler tech said that the power draw from the sterilizers sent a surge through the rest of the system and caused the electronics to burn. Does this make any sense
Not to me. The 500 and up Kohlers we install are supposed to shut down before an over voltage or in your case an under voltage could cause damage.

Did you ask to talk to someone else at Kohler?
 

jrannis

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Sounds like some facts are missing to me.
We punish those generators pretty hard starting several AC units in lock rotor. Something else is wrong.
What caused the initial outage?
 

Gaffen99

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new jersey
This info is coming from one of the doctors, haven't yet spoke to tech directly
just picking brains cause it sounds strange, you know.
 

iwire

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brian john said:
or center off delay that can be set with time delay.

That was what I was thinking as well. I have added some off time to keep breakers from tripping on re-transfer to utility.
 

chris kennedy

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60 yr old tool twisting electrician
iwire said:
That was what I was thinking as well. I have added some off time to keep breakers from tripping on re-transfer to utility.
I'm sure OP is talking about resistive loads. Autoclaves are served by steam generators or boilers. I have to agree with jrannis, there are issues not related the the generator.
 

iwire

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chris kennedy said:
I have to agree with jrannis, there are issues not related the the generator.


Your right it could be a lot of things.

But still ... worth thinking about. If there are a lot of transfomers and transition is fast it can cause spikes.

DELAYED TRANSITION TRANSFER SWITCHES
The CTSD provides an adjustable time delay after
the opening of the closed contacts and before the
closing of the open contacts for transferring large
motor and/or transformer loads. This delayed
transition time allows for motors to coast down
and transformer fields to decay, thus allowing
inductive loads to be re-energized after transfer
with only normal inrush starting currents.
The delayed transition design is an effective
method of handling these applications and can
be utilized as an alternative to a standard transfer
switch equipped with an in-phase monitor.


The delayed transition transfer switch is ideally
suited for pumping stations, sewage treatment
plants, hospital X-ray equipment, or wherever
the bulk of the load being controlled consists of
large motors and/or transformers. Further, many
UPS manufacturers strongly recommend the use
of delayed transition type transfer switches to
ensure proper operation and sequencing of
their equipment.
The CTSD Series allows a typical UPS system
sufficient delay to recognize a power failure and
transfer to batteries, acknowledge the return of
input power and allow the rectifier to walk-on to
the new source, reducing any transfer anomalies.
Except for the adjustable delayed transition
period, the performance, operating capabilities,
ratings, UL listings, withstand current values and
available options are identical to those of the
CTS Series Automatic Transfer Switches.
The CTSD incorporates all of the important
features of the standard CTS Series switch.
In addition, its unique design incorporates
features oriented toward its specific operation
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
If the ATS is a fast transfer switch it is possible that the out of phase transfers are resulting in issues.

Beside which IMO all ATS should have correct rotation and phasing of both sources.
 

catchtwentytwo

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Gaffen99 said:
A surgical center has multiple sterilizers on emer. power, on a transfer the office lost a lot of electronic equipment. Kohler tech said that the power draw from the sterilizers sent a surge through the rest of the system and caused the electronics to burn. Does this make any sense, and how do I rectify the problem. I thought about timing relays or surge supressors on the equipment breakers.?

Is this a single generator installation?
 

charlietuna

Senior Member
Sounds to me that you might have a problem in the transfer switch neutral-does the transfer switch have a switched neutral--4 wire?
 

dave704

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Location
Crewe,Va.
delayed transfer switch

delayed transfer switch

Had some similiar problems with switches brand new ASCO with in phase monitors but no adjustable transition timing. I just replaced two switches, one 400 amp 480v and one 600 amp with new delayed transition switches and solved my problems of tripping breakers. Building had lots of UPS loads and many dry transformers. Seems like the design engineers should be aware of this type of problem. I now have two 1 yr. old switches collecting dust!!
 

Gaffen99

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Location
new jersey
The neutral doesn't transfer, i am trying to set up a meeting with tech to get his findings directly. I'll suggest the CTSD to them and check phasing, thanks for your info. i'll keep you all posted.
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
dave704 said:
Had some similiar problems with switches brand new ASCO with in phase monitors but no adjustable transition timing. I just replaced two switches, one 400 amp 480v and one 600 amp with new delayed transition switches and solved my problems of tripping breakers. Building had lots of UPS loads and many dry transformers. Seems like the design engineers should be aware of this type of problem. I now have two 1 yr. old switches collecting dust!!


ACO ATS's transfer very fast and even when equipped with In-Phase-Monitors have issues with large cap banks such as some input filters on UPS's
 
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