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Does the nec require a dishwasher to be afci and GFCI protected? It's an older dishwasher and the manufacturer does not specify either. I'm going to feed it with a dedicated GFCI branch circuit but wanted to make sure it didn't have to be afci also

Do the lights and exhaust fan in a bathroom have to be afci protected? The dedicated bathroom branch circuit only feeds the receptacle, lights and exhaust fan off a GFCI breaker.

2017 code articles are appreciated.

I didn't see anything in the nec and I just want to make sure I'm not missing something
 
210.8(D) Kitchen Dishwasher Branch Circuit. GFCI protection
shall be provided for outlets that supply dishwashers installed
in dwelling unit locations.

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arc-fault
circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required in
210.12(A), (B), (C), and (D). The arc-fault circuit interrupter
shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-
ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in
dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms, living
rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation
rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas, or similar rooms or
areas

~RJ~
 
Yup. What RJ said. NEC required. I suspect using a dual function AFCI / GFCI breaker will be the way to go.
 
Does that mean if I feed the GFCI in the bathroom then come out and hit the EF/light it requires it to be AFCI protected? I didn't read anything about lighting in a bathroom needing it to be AFCI protected.
 
panhandle444 said:
Does that mean if I feed the GFCI in the bathroom then come out and hit the EF/light it requires it to be AFCI protected? I didn't read anything about lighting in a bathroom needing it to be AFCI protected.
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Two things:

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arc-fault circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required in 210.12(A), (B), (C), and (D). The arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location.

(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas, or similar rooms or areas.
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The Article 100 Definitions meaning of "Outlet" includes receptacle outlets and lighting outlets, and the meaning of "Devices" is also defined. . . . meaning adding a new switch (a device) all by itself, to an existing light requires adding AFCI if the switch is in a room or area named in 210.12(A).

Also, the second thing, is Bath or Bathroom listed in 210.12(A)?
 
Thanks Al appreciate your time. Seemed odd to me that if I were the bathroom with light including in the branch circuit that I would not have to have it on afci. Thought I was reading it wrong and co-workers were tell me otherwise.

I will probably just install a combo afci GFCI breaker though it's not required
 
From a purely economic (read- bids so tight they squeak) stance , DP's are the way to go these days.

We use GE DP's , less trips for reasons i suspect are either way over my head , or complete baloney.

~RJ~
 
And a lot depends on what methods one ropes up a dwelling. For example, there's a lot of us who separate lighting from receptacle outlets, so those lighting circuits might also do a bathroom vanity light and be on an afci, big whoop....~RJ~
 
romex jockey said:
From a purely economic (read- bids so tight they squeak) stance , DP's are the way to go these days.

We use GE DP's , less trips for reasons i suspect are either way over my head , or complete baloney.

~RJ~
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I have to ask.

What's a DP?

JAP>
 
panhandle444 said:
Does the nec require a dishwasher to be afci and GFCI protected? It's an older dishwasher and the manufacturer does not specify either.
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210.8(D) applies to new work or remodels only.
210.12(A) applies to new work or remodels only.
210.12(D) applies to old work, only if circuit was extended >6ft.
406.4(D)(4) Old Dishwashers in old kitchens don't require AFCI protection until Outlet is changed.
406.4(D)(3) Old Dishwashers in old kitchens don't require GFCI protection until Outlet is changed.

No GFCI / AFCI / Dual Function breakers needed for old work, unless circuit extended, outlet is changed, or appliance OEM specifies it.
 
panhandle444 said:
Does that mean if I feed the GFCI in the bathroom then come out and hit the EF/light it requires it to be AFCI protected? I didn't read anything about lighting in a bathroom needing it to be AFCI protected.
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If you run a dedicated 20 amp circuit to the bathroom you can do the whole bathroom without arc fault protection, just need the receptacle to be a gfci.
 
panhandle444 said:
Does that mean if I feed the GFCI in the bathroom then come out and hit the EF/light it requires it to be AFCI protected? I didn't read anything about lighting in a bathroom needing it to be AFCI protected.
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If that circuit happens to feed other areas that do require AFCI protection - then ultimately it will have the protection anyhow.
 
kwired said:
If that circuit happens to feed other areas that do require AFCI protection - then ultimately it will have the protection anyhow.
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It just feeds the bathroom outlet, vanity light and exhaust fan/light/nl/heat. Dedicated 20amp does not leave bathroom


Thanks for your feedback
 
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