GFCI at sump&condensate pumps?

[ins.GDF]

Can single,non GFCI receptacles supply power for sump and HVAC condensate pumps.Both are located in unfinished basements?Would they be considered appliances located in dedicated space?:-?

 

[electricmanscott]

Must be gfci protected.

 

[peter d]

Must be gfci protected.

But the pump might cause the GFCI to trip. :roll:

 

[iwire]

Under the 2008 NEC there are no exceptions for either of those pumps in unfinished basements, crawl spaces or garages.

 

[iwire]

But the pump might cause the GFCI to trip. :roll:

Buy a new pump you cheap goof ball. :wink:

 

[peter d]

Buy a new pump you cheap goof ball. :wink:

But that would involve spending money.

 

[infinity]

If you're still under the 2005 NEC you can use a single receptacle. Or under the 2008 you can use a 240 volt pump without GFCI protection.

 

[acrwc10]

But that would involve spending money.

Aren't we all rich ? Everyone is always telling me how much we electricians make.

 

[SEO]

We do make a lot of money don't we? But what is the definition of a lot of money?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Aren't we all rich ? Everyone is always telling me how much we electricians make.

Ah but you know you can't measure wealth in dollars and cents. We just love our work.

Now, Peter is money rich because he refuses to buy a GFCI's. I bet he doesn't have 2 ground rods at his house either.

 

[iwire]

Now, Peter is money rich because he refuses to buy a GFCI's. I bet he doesn't have 2 ground rods at his house either.

Peter thinks he is rich because he thinks he is pretty, or is it beautiful?

 

[alfiesauce]

Anybody know why they allow 240 V stuff to not be on GFCIs - like the 240V sump.
And also the same for Arc Fault circuits as well?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Anybody know why they allow 240 V stuff to not be on GFCIs - like the 240V sump.
And also the same for Arc Fault circuits as well?

I believe because most appliances that a ho would use is 120v. The GFCI is to protect people not the appliance.

 

[iwire]

Anybody know why they allow 240 V stuff to not be on GFCIs - like the 240V sump.
And also the same for Arc Fault circuits as well?

I don't know but I suspect it is accident statistics.

 

[peter d]

Now, Peter is money rich because he refuses to buy a GFCI's. I bet he doesn't have 2 ground rods at his house either.

Nope....I can do one better. I have no ground rods at all. How 'bout that?? Just one GEC to the water main. That's it. Oh, and K&T to boot.

 

[peter d]

Peter thinks he is rich because he thinks he is pretty, or is it beautiful?

Beautiful, amazing, incredible, awesome, wonderful....you know, the best electrician ever.

 

[tom baker]

A GFCI trips between 4 -6 mA and above. If the condensate pump trips it, what is the leakage current? 30 mA will cause a fatal shock.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

A GFCI trips between 4 -6 mA and above. If the condensate pump trips it, what is the leakage current? 30 mA will cause a fatal shock.

This may be true but would that not be the same for a 220v condensate pump or sump pump. No GFCI is necessary on those.