GFCI for 250v recepts

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Does anyone know if campsite pedestals are now made with GFCI breaker feeding the 50amp 250v receptacle? Specifically Midwest pedestals.

Last I read, CMP for recreational parks were a bit surprised that it got included in the code without there input.
 
George Stolz said:
Seems like 551.71(F) negates 210.8.
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It certainly appears to and given that RVs are subject to testing, they shouldn’t be of a concern.

What bothers me is that one of the reasons that has been given for GFCIing other 250v receptacles is the ability to touch the blades of the cord end as it’s inserted. That doesn’t change just because it’s in a campground.
 
George Stolz said:
Seems like 551.71(F) negates 210.8.
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I'm not seeing it. What I am seeing is likely a requirement that has been mostly unchanged since before 210.8 mandated all outdoor 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacles to be GFCI protected, leaving 551.71(F) as redundant text as the requirement is already in 210.8.

The addition of the 240 volt receptacle to GFCI requirements in 210.8 still makes these necessary unless something in 551 would specifically mention it isn't needed.

I don't see it impacting existing installations in recreational parks - they were compliant when installed. It will only impact new installations or replacements. NEC doesn't seem to consider financial impact when making code changes, and it shouldn't.
 
kwired said:
I'm not seeing it. What I am seeing is likely a requirement that has been mostly unchanged since before 210.8 mandated all outdoor 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacles to be GFCI protected, leaving 551.71(F) as redundant text as the requirement is already in 210.8.

The addition of the 240 volt receptacle to GFCI requirements in 210.8 still makes these necessary unless something in 551 would specifically mention it isn't needed.

I don't see it impacting existing installations in recreational parks - they were compliant when installed. It will only impact new installations or replacements. NEC doesn't seem to consider financial impact when making code changes, and it shouldn't.
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551 having any mention of GFCI supersedes 210, per 90.3.
 
I think since 551 makes mention about the 15/20-Amp 120 volt receptacle being gfci’d then it should also go on to say whether or not the 30amp 120v, 50 amp 250v receptacle would require GFCI so that it coincides with 210.8 or negates it’s relationship, even if it becomes a FPN (fine print note) if those are even used anymore.

Maybe no ones ready to deal with tripping of campsites cause of extension cords with the ends laying on wet ground or burnt out water heater elements or the plethora of other issues.
 
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mopowr steve said:
I think since 551 makes mention about the 15/20-Amp 120 volt receptacle being gfci’d then it should also go on to say whether or not the 30amp 120v, 50 amp 250v receptacle would require GFCI so that it coincides with 210.8 or negates it’s relationship, even if it becomes a FPN (fine print note) if those are even used anymore.

Maybe no ones ready to deal with tripping of campsites cause of extension cords with the ends laying on wet ground or burnt out water heater elements or the plethora of other issues.
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Correct - 210.8 requires the 30 and the 50 to be GFCI protected unless 551 would state otherwise.

FPN's are now called "informational notes".
 
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