GFCI leakage tester

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I used a totally awesome meter that was borrowed today, and I'm trying to find out where I can get one. The one I borrowed is no longer made. It was manufactured with the "Slater" name on it. It had a cord that plugged into a receptacle, and a receptacle on the device itself. It had a dial that you could set to "GFCI TEST" or "TOTAL LEAKAGE" and a couple of others. It had a 1 to 10 milliamperes analog meter, and you could turn a potentiometer to find the exact milliamperes that a GFCI tripped at in the "GFCI TEST" mode. In addition, you could plug the unit into a regular receptacle and plug a suspect piece of equipment into it, and in the "TOTAL LEAKAGE" mode, find out how much fault current, in milliamperes, the equipment was leaking. This helped me troubleshoot a pool pump today. Totally awesome meter. Anyone know if there is some other manufacturer still making something like this? The one I borrowed was proported to have been purchased at a convention in the early to mid 80's.

If somebody's not still making something like this, they should be.

[ August 30, 2005, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: mdshunk ]
 
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Look up the Ideal "Sure Test" It does what yours does and much more.

Here is there web page on it: Ideal Shure Test

And image of one model:
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[ August 30, 2005, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
 
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Wayne, which model is that?

Is it the model that you use? What's your experience been with it. It appears that you like it?

How much does one run?
 
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It's a 61-165

I don't own one but I have used a friends and it does quite a bit. It will even tell ya if the grounds a bootlegged to the neutral, or if you have a shared neutral before working on a circuit which is handy. Go to the link I posted and read about them.

But I do dislike them for one thing. I had an inspector who tried to use it to test an AFCI which it would not trip it because of a long circuit run. but the button on the AFCI breaker worked just fine and I had to convince him that the button was the only UL listed method to test AFCI's. :roll:

But it's not the fault of the Sure Test, It was an over zealous inspector. :mad:
 
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I checked out the Sure Test at the supply house, and it doesn't do at all what I wanted. I want to plug a piece of equipment into a meter and read out on the screen what the total leakage is in milliamps. The Slater meter that I borrowed did this, but the Sure Test sure does not.
 
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hurk27. Just purchased the Ideal AFCI and GFCI tester. I love this tool. As far as I am concerned one of the best investments I have made. List about $260. ;)

[ September 03, 2005, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: highkvoltage ]
 
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Mdshunk, what you say this meter does seems to be very basic. You can easily make such a device yourself with a few parts. By what you say this thing does you will only need a small analog millampmeter, a potentiometer, a couple of recptacles, and a multi-terminal rotary switch and a box to build it in, all of which you could buy in Radio Shack. I always planned on making such a device myself but have not got around to it. I once recall an incident where an inspector flagged a GFCI receptacle because his "fancy" circuit tester did not trip the GFCI however the internal test did work. On another occasion a "home inspector" NOT a AHJ that had a fancy $500.00 circuit tester used the tester to test all the outlets in a 1 year old house being sold. In the far upstairs bedroom on the back side of the house opposite the side where the panel was he "failed" the wiring of the outlets in that bedroom. Needless to say since he uncovered an electrical problem, the whoile closing of the house was held up. The whole process came to a grinding halt until this "outlet wiring problem" was remedeed. I was asked to come in and check out the problem. Not knowing the exact nature of the problem (inspector never elaborated)I assumed it was perhaps a reverse polarity or a no goround situation. Went to the house and plugged in my $5.00 circuit tester and it said all the outlets in that bedroom were wired Ok and grounded. I could not see any problem. Reported to the real estate people I could not find any problems. A call the the "home inspector" with my findings netted a derogatory response "what kind of electrican did you call?" Well, it came down to that fact that I had to call and talk to this guy. When I told him I could not find anything wrong with the outlets he said "what kind of electrician are you?" Grit teeth, bite tounge, and I said would you "kindly" explain YOUR findings in regard to the "failure" of the outlets in that bedroom. He said he didnt know what the problem was other than his $500.00 testers' "red light" lit up and said "failure". Asking him what the "failure" was in refernece to he said "current", its a "current failure". So I said, Oh...does your $500.00 tester "load down the circuit"? He said " I don't know what it does I just read the "failure light" and I report on it. Well, I guess by know you know the problem, this fancy $500.00 meter this guy has checks the voltage drop on the circuit when a load is applied and if its more than 3% the little red light goes on. Long run of #14 wire in a big house way out to the other end of the house on the second floor. This created a big problem with the sale of the house, The "home inspector" wanted to be able to go back to the house and have his meter read "pass" before he would amend his report. Here's what happened. The original builder got involved, called the EC that wired the house, the EC called the "house inspector" and argued that there was no safety issue here and it wasen't a "big deal". In order to settle the issue the EC had to sign a legal avadavit taking full responsiblity of the situation and then the problem went away.
 
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