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I am working on reviewing a couple documents. The question, does the auxilary outlet that used for plugging in equipment such as laptop, power tool required a GFCI outlet or regular 120V 5A outlet?

The equipment are vending machine, faregate cabinet. Those cabinet are located in the underground area or ground level open space area exposed to maybe some rain, ice ie weather.

I am sure based on 210.8 (3) it required GFCI outlet. But does it applied to those equipment?
 
thewire said:
I am working on reviewing a couple documents. The question, does the auxilary outlet that used for plugging in equipment such as laptop, power tool required a GFCI outlet or regular 120V 5A outlet?

The equipment are vending machine, faregate cabinet. Those cabinet are located in the underground area or ground level open space area exposed to maybe some rain, ice ie weather.

I am sure based on 210.8 (3) it required GFCI outlet. But does it applied to those equipment?
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With the exception of vending machines (and maybe a few other appliances) the requirement for GFCI protection is based on location and conditions, not on the device being powered. The electricity does not know if you are running a power drill or a laptop.
 
fmtjfw said:
With the exception of vending machines (and maybe a few other appliances) the requirement for GFCI protection is based on location and conditions, not on the device being powered. The electricity does not know if you are running a power drill or a laptop.
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yes. So, if the equipment is situated on the platform level or mezzanine level for faregate cabinet (for subway system) or some of the faregate cabinets are situated location exposed to outdoor environment that can be exposed to rain or sleet if is coming side way ..technically under a roof but outdoor..where is the fine line?

like this

http://files.schuminweb.com/life-and-times/2010/boston-megaraid/164.jpg

or this
http://railforthevalley.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/turnstiles-01.jpg?w=450&h=337
 
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thewire said:
yes. So, if the equipment is situated on the platform level or mezzanine level for faregate cabinet (for subway system) or some of the faregate cabinets are situated location exposed to outdoor environment that can be exposed to rain or sleet if is coming side way ..technically under a roof but outdoor..where is the fine line?

like this

http://files.schuminweb.com/life-and-times/2010/boston-megaraid/164.jpg

or this
http://railforthevalley.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/turnstiles-01.jpg?w=450&h=337
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No fine line, it is outdoors exposed to the weather -- it is GFCI.
 
So, if the auxiliary outlet spun from the equipment power supply, does it required a dedicated ground or if the dedicated ground is not present, it should be label no equipment grounding.

All the equipment have share grounding to a ground bar
 
Equipment grounding and GFCI protection are two different concepts. We use GFCI as an equipment ground is not required for it to operate
 
thewire said:
So, if the auxiliary outlet spun from the equipment power supply, does it required a dedicated ground or if the dedicated ground is not present, it should be label no equipment grounding.

All the equipment have share grounding to a ground bar
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You can not install new receptacles without providing a grounding method, either a green grounding conductor or a metallic raceway rated and used as the grounding medium. You can only replace existing non-grounding receptacles that have no grounding conductor or raceway with grounding type receptacles protected by GFCI.
 
fmtjfw said:
You can not install new receptacles without providing a grounding method, either a green grounding conductor or a metallic raceway rated and used as the grounding medium. You can only replace existing non-grounding receptacles that have no grounding conductor or raceway with grounding type receptacles protected by GFCI.
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So, let me explain a little clearer. The existing equipment that installed back in the 80s will be replaced with new equipment. The existing receptacle on the ground will not be changing as the load on the power is lesser. There is no changing out the existing power. As far as I know, there is no requirement for the inline power to have GFI. This however required in vending machine etc.

So, the question, is if the new equipment installed has a outlet that workers can plug in for whatever through the power supply, it should be GFI since some of the locations are technically outdoor right?
 
so, after looking at the NEC code and since the equipment is accessible to public except workers
Exception No. 3 to (4): In industrial establishments only, where
the conditions of maintenance and supervision ensure that only
qualified personnel are involved, an assured equipment grounding
conductor program as specified in 590.6(B)(2) shall be
permitted for only those receptacle outlets used to supply equipment
that would create a greater hazard if power is interrupted
or having a design that is not compatible with GFCI protection



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I don't think GFI is required unless you guys can find something else?
 
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