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Do receptacles located in a pole barn(stand alone not associated with a residential dwelling)require GFCI protection?
General purpose interior receptacles, work bench area, etc.
No sinks or wash tubs.

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nizak said:
Do receptacles located in a pole barn(stand alone not associated with a residential dwelling)require GFCI protection?
General purpose interior receptacles, work bench area, etc.
No sinks or wash tubs.

Thanks
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Yes.

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nizak said:
Do receptacles located in a pole barn(stand alone not associated with a residential dwelling)require GFCI protection?
General purpose interior receptacles, work bench area, etc.
No sinks or wash tubs.

Thanks
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I would like to say yes, "but" a pole barn is not necessarily agricultural these days. I have seen those things built for any number of uses.

I would look at what it's going to be used for to find a code that would or would not require GFCI protection.
 
growler said:
I would like to say yes, "but" a pole barn is not necessarily agricultural these days. I have seen those things built for any number of uses.

I would look at what it's going to be used for to find a code that would or would not require GFCI protection.
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Gfcis are required in areas where maintenance work is done. The workbench would qualify

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As much as I applause the GFCI install, I think your situation is a grey area. Since it is not associated with a residence it would fall under 2108(B). I can't see where any Code cycle directly addresses the issue. The '11 comes close but the 14 becomes a little less specific:
Outdoors ?? Garage, service bay ???
You might find the requirement varies by enforcement area,.
 
augie47 said:
As much as I applause the GFCI install, I think your situation is a grey area. Since it is not associated with a residence it would fall under 2108(B). I can't see where any Code cycle directly addresses the issue. The '11 comes close but the 14 becomes a little less specific:
Outdoors ?? Garage, service bay ???
You might find the requirement varies by enforcement area,.
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I don't see it there either.

(B) Other Than Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-
phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in 210.8(B)(1) through (8) shall have
ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
(1) Bathrooms
(2) Kitchens
(3) Rooftops
(4) Outdoor
(5) Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m(6 ft) of the outside edge of the sink
(6) Indoor wet locations
(7) Locker rooms with associated showering facilities
(8) Garages, service bays, and similar areas other than vehicle exhibition halls and showrooms
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I would do it as a design issue, since the ground is your floor, and treat it like any outdoor installation.
 
LarryFine said:
I would do it as a design issue, since the ground is your floor, and treat it like any outdoor installation.
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But, IS the floor earthen?

Nizak, we need more of a description than "pole barn" with a work bench and no sinks. The uses I've seen pole barns put to has been too varied to assume that I understand what you are describing.
 
6"x6" treated posts, 2"x4" girts horizontally between posts, exterior building steel, interior building steel on walls,cement floor.

I know that the environment affords GFCI protection, I just want to know if somewhere in the code it mandates it.
 
Also depends on which edition of NEC applies. More recently (2011 I think) garages, service bays, or similar areas are required to have GFCI protection on 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacles.
 
nizak said:
6"x6" treated posts, 2"x4" girts horizontally between posts, exterior building steel, interior building steel on walls,cement floor.I know that the environment affords GFCI protection, I just want to know if somewhere in the code it mandates it.
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Sounds like a normally dry interior not unlike the inside of a modern warehouse. . . The dryness rules out 2017 NEC 210.8(B)(6) as a source for requiring GFCI.If this is in a jurisdiction under the 2017 NEC, I think the answer is "No, not by the NEC."
 
al hildenbrand said:
Sounds like a normally dry interior not unlike the inside of a modern warehouse. . . The dryness rules out 2017 NEC 210.8(B)(6) as a source for requiring GFCI.If this is in a jurisdiction under the 2017 NEC, I think the answer is "No, not by the NEC."
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I agree.

One thing that makes this confusing is calling it a "pole barn". It is probably constructed similar to a pole barn, but not used as a "barn"

The type of use of the building and certain conditions within will determine where or if any GFCI protection is necessary.

Warehouse type areas is one good example of where GFCI would not likely be required. Production areas (really depends on details of the process) can be another area that might not require GFCI.
 
I would say if it has a garage style door or a sliding door big enough for an automobile game over it's a garage. I have seen these built for road side produce stands etc. with a man door and a couple windows more of an office space type thing. I don't think a GFCI would be required.
 
Abu65 said:
I would say if it has a garage style door or a sliding door big enough for an automobile game over it's a garage.
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Why stop with a "big enough door" . . . I can bring my motorcycle into just about any room of my house, does that make my dwelling a garage? The Article 100 Definition of Garage doesn't help.

Abu65 said:
I have seen these built for road side produce stands etc. with a man door and a couple windows more of an office space type thing. I don't think a GFCI would be required.
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And I have seen "these" built with geothermally heated interior dedicated to furniture stripping, repair and finishing, where an entry enabled transfer of large pieces of "furniture".

Almost any warehouse has at least one large egress worthy of a forklift's passage, are all warehouses therefore garages because a vehicle can be gotten through the hole in the wall?
 
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