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GFCI Tripping

augie47

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Tennessee
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State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
Seemingly topic du-jour lately...
Friend called... new restaurant installation 120/240 I have not viewed the installation.
All the GFCI breakers on "B" phase are tripping...move same breaker to "A" phase and they hold.
Voltages phase to phase and phase to ground are good,
Suggestions as to cause ?
(Siemens breakers)
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
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Electrical Contractor
Logical conclusion: B phase is too high or low in voltage.

(Only 1ph, not a high-leg delta, right?)
 

augie47

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Tennessee
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State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
Logical conclusion: B phase is too high or low in voltage.

(Only 1ph, not a high-leg delta, right?)
All input is via phone::
120v L to N both phases No High-Leg (that was my first concern when they used the term "B" phase)
 

mtnelect

HVAC & Electrical Contractor
Location
Southern California
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Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
It's the "Energy Efficiency" new equipment that is responsible for it. The GFCI do not like the signature that is put out to control the speeds of the new DC speed control motors and equipment.
 

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curt swartz

Electrical Contractor - San Jose, CA
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San Jose, CA
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Listed the wrong TIA


Yes ... It's "All the GFCI breakers on B". It's a GFCI problem.
They why do they hold when moved to "A"???

There are millions of VFD;s connected to GFCI'S that work fine. Some VFD's are not compatible with GFCI's do to high frequency "noise" This is why new standards need to be made for breakers and equipment.

When GFCI's were first introduced there were appliances/utilization equipment that were not compatible. New standards had to be made for leakage current. That didn't mean nothing was comparable with GFCI's.
 
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