green tape for ground failed insp.

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Dmagelec

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I used green tape on a # 8 black thhn for a pool panel and it failed.I thought a licence electrical contractor can re identify wire
 
250.119 requires insulated equipment grounding conductors (EGCs) to be #6 or larger in order to pull black and re-identify it green.

However, the question becomes: Is the conductor required by 680.26 an EGC? I don't believe it is, and therefore, I believe your installation should have passed.

Anybody else smell crow cooking? :)

Edit: Are you talking about the EGC of the feeder to the pool panel, or are you referring to the equipotential bonding conductor in 680.26?
 
georgestolz said:
250.119 requires insulated equipment grounding conductors (EGCs) to be #6 or larger in order to pull black and re-identify it green.

However, the question becomes: Is the conductor required by 680.26 an EGC? I don't believe it is, and therefore, I believe your installation should have passed.

Anybody else smell crow cooking? :)

Edit: Are you talking about the EGC of the feeder to the pool panel, or are you referring to the equipotential bonding conductor in 680.26?

George I know it just a typo but 250.119 says
"larger than 6 AWG"

And you should add that this Art. is compliments of the wire manufactures.

A #8 with green tape is not going to burst into flames.(IMO)
 
Sounds to me like the OP is talking about the EGC for the pool panel. If that is the case the inspector is correct. I, like Chris, think that code requirement is ridiculous but nonetheless it is there.
 
chris kennedy said:
George I know it just a typo but 250.119 says
"larger than 6 AWG"
It wasn't a typo, I misread the section and wrote what I thought it said. :D

A #8 with green tape is not going to burst into flames.(IMO)
I agree - the reason I didn't know for sure is because I haven't installed anything larger than #10 with green insulation. :D :D
 
I had this conversation with an electrician today. He stated that they do not make #6 Green in Aluminum so it was ok. I informed he otherwise. I agree with Dennis, however, I didn't write 'em I just reads 'em.
 
Dmagelec said:
I thought a licence electrical contractor can re identify wire

License or not...code is code (whether your installation is a violation/not a violation is another story).
 
Code is code
We don't like the rules we don't agree with
They are OK for someone else
But not if they cost us time and money
Mike Holt (is who I heard it from)
This is one of the most violated and ignored rules in the NEC.
You can buy colors in wire larger than 4 AWG by the way. Its just not stocked.
For an EGC most of the time it can be bare if copper.
 
But Tom, you have to admit this is a stupid rule....there should be no need to identify the EGC by color....if you can't tell what it is by looking at the terminations, you should not have the cover off the panel.
Don
 
I have never worked in a jurisdiction that would not allow No. 8 black to be re-identified as a grounded conductor (white) or grounding conductor (green). I guess I am just lucky.
 
Don: Thats pretty strong language for you. How many proposals has there been to change this? I would be interested in the CP statement.
I would say its an interesting rule. I like to discuss in my classes as we all violate it.
In my area we have "selective enforcement" and this rule falls under that.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
But Tom, you have to admit this is a stupid rule....there should be no need to identify the EGC by color....if you can't tell what it is by looking at the terminations, you should not have the cover off the panel.
Don

You can always strip it.
 
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