Ground Rod Diameters

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I work for an electrical distributor and am a 2nd year apprentice also. We carry ground rods in 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", and 1" diameters, 8 feet and 10 feet long. No one has been able to explain why you would use one diameter over another and I haven?t found anything in the code that eludes to the answer either.

Can someone give a quick explanation as to why you would choose one size over another?
 
See section 250.52(A)(5). I don't know why some engineers specify 3/4" and larger rods or rods longer than 8'. It's a waste of material. Perhaps they feel the more surface area the rod has in contact with the earh, the better the electrode.
 
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Ground rods in general are divided into one of the following sizes; 1/2",5/8",3/4" and 1". They come in steel with stainless, galvanized or copper cladding and can be solid stainless or mild (unclad) steel. They can be purchased in unthreaded or threaded sections that vary in length. The most common lengths are 8' and 10'. Some will have a pointed end, others will be threaded and can be coupled together to form longer rods when driven.
The effectiveness of a 1" ground rod over the 1/2" ground rod is minimal when resistance readings are taken. The larger rods are chosen for more difficult soil conditions. Clay or rocky conditions often dictate the use of power drivers, similar to an impact driver used by mechanics when working on your automobile. They are typically electric or pneumatic. The power drivers when used with the heavy 1" ground rods will drive in most soils.

A 1" copper clad rod when compared to a 1/2" copper clad rod in the same soil conditions will yield about a 23% improvement is performance. The surface area of the 1/2" rod is 1.57 compared to the 1" rod at 3.14 ( 3.14 x .5 = 1.57 and 3.14 x 1 = 3.14 ). So, for double the surface area, you only get about 23% improvement in performance.
The cladding of ground rods is to protect the steel from rusting. Most think the cladding, (copper on a steel rod) is for the increase in conductivity of the rod. It does aid in conduction, but the main purpose of the cladding is to keep the rod from rusting away. Not all clad ground rods are the same and it is important the clad rod have a reasonably thick cladding. High quality industrial quality copper clad steel ground rods may cost a little more but they are worth the small extra cost.

The effective performance of ground rods is reduced by soil conditions, lightning currents, physical damage, corrosion, etc., and should be checked for resistance on a regular basis. Just because your ground was good last year it does not mean it is today. Have it checked by the fall of potential testing method.
A driven rod, when compared to a back filled rod, is much better. The density of undisturbed soil is much higher than even compacted soil. The connection of the soil is the key to the rod performance.
Installing ground rods is not difficult but proper procedures must be followed and the resulting rod(s) should be checked for performance. Testing for resistance by the fall of potential method is the only way to be sure what looks good is good, a low resistance ground.
 
bphgravity said:
No offense, but doubling 0% performance is still 0%...
If you do indeed have 0 ohms earth to rod contact resistance than why worry, but in reality you know this is not true, if so why ground.
The question asked was, Can someone give a quick explanation as to why you would choose one size over another?
My answer is why engineers specify the size of ground rod, be it right or wrong.
 
Byran has spent a great deal of time researching grounding and bonding requirements, performance, lightning protection etc.

He cynicism is not unfounded. :)
 
I don't think Bryan was being sarcastic, he was stating a fact.

Ground rods are nothing more than placebos as far as doing anything for an electrical system at our low voltages.

Roger
 
cripple said:
My answer is why engineers specify the size of ground rod, be it right or wrong.

Because they feel they have to specify something.

Most of this stuff is boilerplate. I have not personally written a spec in a while, but when I did, I had all kinds of boilerplate I could slap together without thinking too much about it. Most of it relatively harmless. Things like "The installation shall comply with all local codes, laws, and standards".

I don't recall ever having a ground rod in a spec. Mostly I deal with control systems so no services are involved. And if there was, I would farm that part out to someone competent to handle it.
 
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petersonra said:
Because they feel they have to specify something.

Most of this stuff is boilerplate. I have not personally written a spec in a while, but when I did, I had all kinds of boilerplate I could slap together without thinking too much about it.

Again my answer was to address that engineers have to specify something, even if it is boilerplate. The boilerplate had to have been written using some thing that at least sounded reasonable. It is not my intent gave a justification or to gave a reason to spec the size of the ground rod. The 25 ohm requirement in the NEC, is earth to rod contact resistance, and with is in mind would it not sound reasonable that the more contact surface the low the resistance? Again I will state be it right or wrong.
 
It is not the intent of the NEC to require a ground resistance of 25 ohms or less. I know this to be a fact as the CMP has stated this several times now.

I agree that increasing the amount of metal in contact with the earth will indeed the reduce the total earth resistance, but that is no indication of better performance. You have to first determine what performance is expected form the grounding electrode system to determine if lower resistance makes that much of a difference.

Considering the most likely function of the grounding electrode system is the limiting of voltage on the electrical system from lightning, earth resistance is not that important. Grounding electrode arrangement and proper bonding on metallic parts is a much more significant consideration when dealing with surge currents.

I would much rather have a grounding electrode system with an earth resistance of 1,000 ohms in conjunction with a TVSS than I would an earth resistance of 5 ohms and no TVSS.
 
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NEC grounding is to help prevent accidents to persons and damage by fire to property in case of lightning, breakdown between primary and secondary windings of the transformers, or accidental contact between high-voltage wire and low-voltage wires. If some point on low-voltage circuit if grounded:
1. Lightning striking the wires will be conducted into the ground
2. Breakdown of the transformer insulation between primary and secondary coils will reveal itself through blowing of the primary transformer fuses if one wire of the primary circuit comes in contact with one of the secondary wires.

You need to keep in mined that the utility does ground their system and the ground (earth) does become a parallel path back to its sources. If the secondary side of the transformer is not grounded, and a crossover does occur the primary 7621 volts, (on a four wire 13.2KV destitution system) would be impressed on the secondary system. The insulation of the secondary system only max 600 volts, and numerous insulation breakdowns, which would cause considerable damage to equipment, and there would be extreme damager to human life when coming in contact with any part the secondary system.

An interior wiring system if considered as being ?exposed? to voltage higher than that for which the system is designed if it is supplied through a step-drown transformer, because there is a possibility that the insulation between the primary and secondary windings of the transformer may break down.

The purpose of NESC grounding is to provides practical methods of grounding for use where is required as a means of safeguarding employees and the public from injury that may be caused by electrical potential on electric supply or communications facilities.

The object of protective grounds on electric circuits or equipment, as required by the rules of the NESC, is to keep some point in the electric circuit or equipment at, or as near as practical to, the potential of the earth in the vicinity. Grounding helps to prevent harm to persons or damage to property in the event of accidental contact of high-voltage conductors with low-voltage conductors; breakdown between primary and secondary windings of transformer; etc.

In the order of descending effectiveness, grounding systems serve to
1. enhance prompt operation of system fault-protective devices and
2. minimize the exposure of personnel to electrical potential.

Under high-capacity grounding fault or lightning conditions, substantial voltages may develop between locations on the earth?s surface only a few feet apart, due principally to the very appreciable resistance of the earth itself. Good grounding alone will not remove this hazard; additional means are required. Where there is a high probability that personnel may be exposed to large step potentials resulting from the operation of fault-current or other protective devices, such as a supply substation, the effective potential may be minimized by the use of properly spaced buried grid conductors and by covering the earth with coarse crushed rock in the critical areas.

Utility prefer grounding connection at all building entrances served by any particular secondary circuit are desirable, since they (1) permit ready means for inspection and testing and (2) because of their number, (of grounding point), they provide good insurance against the entire loss of the ground connection. Since the resistance multiple grounds varies very nearly inversely as their number, a larger number will more readily open automatic protective devices in case of accident and provide a greater degree of safety.
 
1. Not exactly true based on very recent and very conclusive experiment. Most of the lightning current on the grounding electrode system at the lower frequencies will inject itself into the premise wiring through the grounded service conductor. The higher frequencies tend to dissipate to earth. As much as 60% of the surge current is likely to flow through the service equipment regardless of the grounding system earth resistance.

2. I don't understand how grounding of a premises electrical system prevents the rise of voltage on the secondary side of a transformer with a primary fault. Can you explain how this works in more detail?
 
I cannot t remember the exact percentages but the depth makes a significant difference compared to the diameter. The shells of the earth become much larger the deeper the rod is driven. Also the resistance is inversely proportional to the distance of two rods.
 
Thanks

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Just wanted to pipe in and say thanks for the responses. Especially Cripple's and bphgravity's. Very helpful

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