guardian generators

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electricalperson

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massachusetts
i have a 10 kw guardian generator at my house. i was testing the output voltage and it was about 242 line voltage and about 58HZ

i adjusted the screw and the voltage went up and down like it should but hertz stayed the same. when i set it up 2 years ago i had about the same voltage but 62 hertz. set it up per instructions. should i be concerned and how do i fix it?
 

Buck Parrish

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Ummm, You might try adding a can of STP to the oil next time you change it. Just guessing but it sounds good to me. It may be the rpm's.
Or use sythetic high grade oil.
 

electricalperson

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massachusetts
Ummm, You might try adding a can of STP to the oil next time you change it. Just guessing but it sounds good to me. It may be the rpm's.
Or use sythetic high grade oil.

its about that time to change the oil and filter. im going to buy the stuff to do it. i change it once a year and last time i changed it was last june
 

gar

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electricalperson:

An AC generator (alternator) produces an output frequency proportional to the rotor RPM relative to the stator RPM. Normally the stator does not rotate. Thus, it is simply the rotor RPM. A 4 pole alternator produces 60.000 Hz with 1800.00 RPM.

Apparently your voltage adjustment is relatively independent from RPM. Some inexpensive generators, I am told, have a substantial change in output voltage with RPM change, and RPM is used to adjust voltage.

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SEO

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Michigan
Like Gar said the hz are controlled by the rpms of the generator. I don't have the spec's in front of me but usually smaller generacs will be set a little over 60 hz and the voltage can be regulated somewhat by adjustment screw on the board. Check your manual it should tell you the voltage and hz settings.
 

SEO

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Michigan
A manual that I have that for a 7KW set the frequency between 62-63 Hz at no-load, slowly turn the slotted potentiometer until line voltage reads 247-252 volts. For 10, 13, and 16KW units at no load set frequency between 58-59 Hz and line voltage at 247-249.

As far as your frequency dropping it may be in your fuel delivery system or engine maintenance.
 

techntrek

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MD
First you need to adjust the gas regulator, then the engine governor, then the full-load speed adjustment screw, then the voltage regulator pot. From my genset's diagnostic and owner's manuals (12kw Generac):

"It is important not to proceed until certain that
generator AC voltage and frequency are correct
and within the stated limits. Generally, if both AC
frequency and voltage are high or low, the engine
governor requires adjustment. If frequency is correct,
but voltage is high or low, the generator’s
voltage regulator requires adjustment."

"An adjustment potentiometer permits the stator AC
power winding voltage to be adjusted. Perform this
adjustment with the generator running at no-load, and
with a 62 Hz AC frequency (62 Hz equals 3720 rpm).
At the stated no-load frequency, adjust to obtain a
line-to-line AC voltage of about 252 volts."

You can get the diagnostic and owner's manuals from Generac's web site, in PDF form.

As a side note, I hate the oil pressure sensor on my unit. It uses synthetic oil, and with LPG there should be virtually no fouling even if the thing had 3000 hours on it. Mine has less than 100 after 4 years, so with a recommended oil change interval of one year I figure I can get away with every other year at a minimum. Nope - after a year, if its below freezing outside it throws a low oil pressure error just after it starts up. Runs fine after that if I manually restart it. The oil sensor is just too touchy when its cold, with year-old oil. Go figure.
 
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