Hardwire range and dryer to avoid GFCI

[electrofelon]

Has anyone been hardwiring ranges and dryers to avoid the GFCI?

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs

 

[wwhitney]

FWIW, that won't work when the 2023 NEC rolls around. 210.8(D) covers outlets for electric dryers and ranges. Although it is limited to outlets up to 60A, so if you can get a range that is OK on a 70A branch circuit, you could hardwire it to avoid GFCI protection.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[MasonF]

Other than the availability of gfci devices for circuits this size has anyone heard or dealt with any known issues of a range on a gfci? Just curious.

 

[hbiss]

... has anyone heard or dealt with any known issues of a range on a gfci?

We have had people here complain about what was determined to be the elements in stovetops getting moisture within the insulating material which will cause leakage between the resistance wire and the shell and trip the breaker. This usually happened when the appliance was new. After heating up it would be driven out. Problem is how do you operate the stove long enough to heat the burners without first installing a regular breaker.

-Hal

 

[electrofelon]

I am just asking because I haven't been doing much resi, but am doing my first NEC 2020 house. Seems like some greenfield and THHN beats the expensive GFCI ( where the incompetent NFPA had no valid justification for the change anyway.)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I am just asking because I haven't been doing much resi, but am doing my first NEC 2020 house. Seems like some greenfield and THHN beats the expensive GFCI ( where the incompetent NFPA had no valid justification for the change anyway.)

how does this work? Did you mean afci and why greenfield and not mc

 

[jap]

Has anyone been hardwiring ranges and dryers to avoid the GFCI?

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[electrofelon]

how does this work? Did you mean afci and why greenfield and not mc

Because the GFCI requirement that would effect a dryer or range is for receptacles. Yes MC could be used also. Meeting the fastening requirements might be tricky, is that how they will get you?

 

[xformer]

Because the GFCI requirement that would effect a dryer or range is for receptacles. Yes MC could be used also. Meeting the fastening requirements might be tricky, is that how they will get you?

Outlet does not mean the same as Receptacle.

 

[electrofelon]

Outlet does not mean the same as Receptacle.

Correct, but the sections we are discussing uses the term receptacle not outlet.

 

[xformer]

Correct, but the sections we are discussing uses the term receptacle not outlet.

Agreed - My statement was meant more as a PSA - Public Service Announcement.

 

[electrofelon]

Agreed - My statement was meant more as a PSA - Public Service Announcement.

Okay, just seems like a rather confusing and distracting place to put such a comment.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Because the GFCI requirement that would effect a dryer or range is for receptacles. Yes MC could be used also. Meeting the fastening requirements might be tricky, is that how they will get you?

I thought you were saying to use greenfield and you wouldn't need gfci... You meant as a direct wire from a junction box.

 

[electrofelon]

I thought you were saying to use greenfield and you wouldn't need gfci... You meant as a direct wire from a junction box.

Yeah correct, just hard wiring it without a receptacle.

 

[tronic]

Hey All...
My question is:

If the range comes with a cord n plug already attached, would changing/ removing said cord violate any mii's or listing(s)? (mii> manufacturers installation instructions... I hate saying and typing that phrase, so I'm trying to get the "mii" acronym to stick, lol)

Or is it just common practice that hardwiring is ok and just cut off the plug? Or as OP stated install some flex/ mc....

Cheers
~Wrobo~

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[ActionDave]

Hey All...
My question is:

If the range comes with a cord n plug already attached, would changing/ removing said cord violate any mii's or listing(s)? (mii> manufacturers installation instructions... I hate saying and typing that phrase, so I'm trying to get the "mii" acronym to stick, lol)

Or is it just common practice that hardwiring is ok and just cut off the plug? Or as OP stated install some flex/ mc....

Cheers
~Wrobo~

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It's not ok to cut off a plug that is part of a piece of equipment, but ranges and dryers don't come with a plug installed and are not required to have one, so there is nothing to cut off.

 

[tronic]

It's not ok to cut off a plug that is part of a piece of equipment, but ranges and dryers don't come with a plug installed and are not required to have one, so there is nothing to cut off.

Just so I don't get kicked off for being a DIYer, I have never installed a range, dishwasher, etc... I have never even roped a house... I would never cut of a plug either, I used the wrong words... but its good to know those appliances don't have factory cord n plugs... thank you @ActionDave

 

[electrofelon]

Just so I don't get kicked off for being a DIYer, I have never installed a range, dishwasher, etc... I have never even roped a house... I would never cut of a plug either, I used the wrong words... but its good to know those appliances don't have factory cord n plugs... thank you @ActionDave

Since the beginning of time dishwashers didn't come with cords, but many of them started coming with cords in the last 10 years or so.

 

[Amps]

So when direct wiring a dryer or range, and the cable comes through the floor, are you sleeving it in any sort of conduit? I haven't wired a new house in decades. I used to have the range cable come through the floor in the back corner oof the range location, no conduit nipple. Just wondering how it's done now, dryer also.

 

[letgomywago]

So when direct wiring a dryer or range, and the cable comes through the floor, are you sleeving it in any sort of conduit? I haven't wired a new house in decades. I used to have the range cable come through the floor in the back corner oof the range location, no conduit nipple. Just wondering how it's done now, dryer also.

The few times I've done it I used a surface mounted 4 square over the drywall screwed to the bottom plate with a blank and came out the side with a 3/4 flex with stranded conductors. Strap to the wall by the bottom plate and shoot up to the ko on the appliance.