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JJWalecka

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Has anyone read these books?

"The Electricians Guide to the 17th Edition of the IEE Wiring Regulations BS7671:2008 and Part P of the Building Regulations (17th Edition) by John F. Whitfield"

"The Productive Electrician by Michael Sammaritano"


JJ
 

mdshunk

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The first one is essentially the British electrical code. I have it. It's online someplace too. I can dig up the link if you want it, but the terminology confuses the BBG's out of me.
 

peter d

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New England
Has anyone read these books?

"The Electricians Guide to the 17th Edition of the IEE Wiring Regulations BS7671:2008 and Part P of the Building Regulations (17th Edition) by John F. Whitfield"

Member "PaulUK" at the ECN forum is a good resource if you are looking for details on British wiring systems.
 

dbuckley

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Part P is a downloadable freebee, but the wiring regs are not; they were a British Standard and are now something else, an IEC publication maybe?

Part P was essentially created to stop people doing their own home wiring, a provision that I'd suggest would be popular in this audience :)
 

Doug S.

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West Michigan
The library? I just checked mine via a search engine, and came up dry. However, I know they have all sorts of gov' regulations and professional standards. IIRC there was 20+ feet of FCC docs, not books about, but regs, all books, hard cover, no air space. I read about 2" of it and couldn't take it any more.

Regards,
Doug S.
 

Besoeker

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UK
The first one is essentially the British electrical code. I have it. It's online someplace too. I can dig up the link if you want it, but the terminology confuses the BBG's out of me.
At least we don't have all the different voltages you lot have to contend with...
:)
 

Besoeker

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You are correct, we have more flexibility. :wink:
And more scope to cock things up.;)
Slightly more seriously....
Everything domestic runs from 230Vac.
There is no scope for puting 240V across a unit designed for 120V because of a poor or missing neutral connection from a centre-tapped transformer winding. Open delta is rare.
No 208, no high leg delta. Just 230V line and neutral.
Derived from 400V, 3-phase which is standard for commercial and light industrial.
Sure, other voltages are sometimes used for specific pieces of plant, but not for general LV distribution.
Gotta be simpler with no down side - hasn't it?
:smile:
 

charlie

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Indianapolis
. . .Gotta be simpler with no down side - hasn't it? . .
I am not so sure. Are you able to keep Joe Homeowner from attempting his own work? My brother's friend who lives down the street from him in Germany has built an addition onto his home (third and fourth floors). He was showing me around while it was under construction and I was surprised that he has a 400 volt, 3? service. His electric boiler and circulating motors are 3?. He also said something about his electric range but I didn't get it straight (my brother was interpreting and I don't speak German). :smile:
 

Besoeker

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UK
Has anyone read these books?

"The Electricians Guide to the 17th Edition of the IEE Wiring Regulations BS7671:2008 and Part P of the Building Regulations (17th Edition) by John F. Whitfield"
JJ
We have a few copies of the 17th Edition Regs and that's what we work to as a minimum standard.
For overseas jobs we take the more stringent of local or 17th.

But even within UK, we sometimes get hit with customer generated additional requirements, often related to documentation.

One incident particularly sticks in my mind. We quoted for a repeat job for a fairly big control system. OK, we'd already done the design work, we had historical costings for labour and materials. So, a bit of a no-brainer to rebid. Which I did and we were awarded the contract. Finegood. Another job in the bag. A new twist was that a "facilities management" company, call them FM, was to run the project rather than the final customer.
A couple of days after the order was placed, the FM guy staggered into my office with a huge box of specifications, none of which had been disclosed prior to the order being placed.
One of the specifications, around 40 pages, was instructions on how to write operation and maintenance manuals. There was a complete section on the use of punctuation including a whole page on the correct use of a comma.
Patronising that may be but it amused me - the specification didn't comply with its own rules.
 

Besoeker

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UK
I am not so sure. Are you able to keep Joe Homeowner from attempting his own work? My brother's friend who lives down the street from him in Germany has built an addition onto his home (third and fourth floors). He was showing me around while it was under construction and I was surprised that he has a 400 volt, 3? service. His electric boiler and circulating motors are 3?. He also said something about his electric range but I didn't get it straight (my brother was interpreting and I don't speak German). :smile:
I'm in UK.
I don't know what is or isn't allowed in Germany.
 

Besoeker

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UK
I know but aren't the systems the same? :)
Well, I don't know. We here use BS7671, the BS meaning British Standard, of course, not the other BS - that would be coarse....:grin:
A little more seriously, there are no doubt wiring regulations for installations in Germany but I don't know how they would compare/contrast the British Standards.
What I would say that, to the best of my knowledge, domestic supplies are single phase 230Vac. That's what the power company provides.
I have seen nothing in the regs that proscribes the use of 3? for domestic applications but, if you can't get it, don't need it, and can't use it, it's a bit academic.
 
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