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HELP EXPLAINING PLEASE

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ROBOJOE77

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Location
troutdale oregon
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manufacturing plant journeyman
We've been troubleshooting a vessel used for heating parts. It uses a DC power supply to provide 45 V at 8000 A. We continue to get a sporadic DC over current fault identified by a mV reference from the negative bus. I recently removed the leads from the power supply to attempt testing the load side isolation to ground as it should be isolated. Using an Ohmmeter I get around 1400+ Ω between each zone to ground. Using our megger set at 50 V, I get 0 MΩ which would lead me to believe that I have bad insulation somewhere in the circuit. How can I explain to our non electrical engineers the difference in these readings, because if I tell them that my resistance reading is showing 1400+, but my insulation reading is 0, they're going to be confused because they are both an Ω measurement.
 

Elect117

Senior Member
Location
California
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Engineer E.E. P.E.
I am not sure I understand your set up or your testing, but to answer the question:

To explain the difference, I would explain in as much detail, with photos and possibly a drawing what you tested and provide the results. Think of it like a lab experiment and you are trying to prove a case. You should mention things like the first test provide a high impedance value because it measured the circuit sections or parts from X to Y. The second test provide injection current to show that there is a faulted section in X to Y.

Something like that. Make sure it is organized.

If needed, you could look into a local engineering consultant to come and verify the results or help diagnose the issue to provide a more detailed report to management. That usually helps get their attention.
 

tortuga

Code Historian
Location
Oregon
Occupation
Electrical Design
Using our megger set at 50 V, I get 0 MΩ which would lead me to believe that I have bad insulation somewhere in the circuit.
Can you eliminate segments of the circuit to narrow down where the ground fault is?
 

Elect117

Senior Member
Location
California
Occupation
Engineer E.E. P.E.
How? You don't :rolleyes: ?
1400 Ω = 0.0014 MΩ and can easily round to 0.00 MΩ.

I'd consider testing with a higher current than most digital meters provide, but I think that would simply prove the 1400.

That is the math that NASA used to get to the moon!
 

tortuga

Code Historian
Location
Oregon
Occupation
Electrical Design
How? You don't :rolleyes: ?
1400 Ω = 0.0014 MΩ and can easily round to 0.00 MΩ.

I'd consider testing with a higher current than most digital meters provide, but I think that would simply prove the 1400.
for an insulation test I would not test thru the load, I'd be tying all the leads together and testing from the leads to the equipment ground.
 
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