Help - Voltage Drop Question

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kluchon

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I have an unusual situation. The local power company is of no help. They insist the building must be wired wrong. They have conceded that the incoming power lines from the transformer would be their responsibility.

The problem:
Transformer is 150 feet from panel. Feeders are 1/0 alluminum in steel conduit. panel is 200 amp, 240 volt, 3phase, 4 wire.
Connected loads: (2) 3 phase motors, 208 volt. Lighting, 120volt, and several receptacle circuits used for compressors and power tools.
When 3 phase motors are on by themselves, everything is okay, voltage drop tollerable.
When lighting on (same leg) very little amperage, minimal 3-4% voltage drop, 2 amp maximum draw.
When receptacle with heavy compressor or pump on, 60% voltage drop, causing high amperage and breaker to trip.
Have tried every possible test, moved receptacle circuits to different phase legs, only receptacle breakers on, only lighting on only 3 phase on.
Our determination is it has to be the nuetral is comprimised between transformer and panel (transformer powers another building with no apparent voltage drop, so we have determined that the incomming nuetral must be in tact).
Power company says they are not convinced. They think the load side might be causing the problem. We have tested all breakers off except one dedicated receptacle circuit. Only nuetral loads cause voltage drop. What else could cause voltage drop?

One other confusing note, the only load side conduit that goes through the concrete (into the ground) has only one circuit in it, when any circuit is live had arcing at the panel connector. We removed the circuit wiring that is running through the conduit in question, including the nuetral, still had arching when other circuits are on. This is why the power company says it has to be load side wiring?
 
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480sparky

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Iowegia
Where did you get 1/0 alum for 200 amps?
Is your panel truly 240 volts or rated for 240 and actually has 208 volts?
Are you getting any voltage variations with you turn on line-to-neutral loads?
 
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iwire

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I would install a recording meter, rent one if you need to.

Connect it as close as possible to the utility conductors. Ideally on the supply side of the service disconnecting means.

Record voltage and amperage on all legs including neutral for at least a week, the longer the better. A good recording meter will also show the time and date of readings which can also prove helpful.

If the results show voltage drop send a copy of the results to the power company and if they are still not helpfull go to the utility commission for your area.

If the problem is on their side they will be forced to resolve it.

On the other hand the recording meter may show that the power company's supply is fine and the problem is on the customers side.
 

iaov

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Location
Rhinelander WI
My experience has been that almost every time you are dealing with a severe voltage drop when energizing a piece of equipment you have either a bad connection( residential situations its almost always a loose neutral some place) or some thing is shorted. Since a OCPD is tripping , I'ld take a serious look at that motor.
 

brian john

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Leesburg, VA
If I follow this correctly a phase to phase load does not cause excessive VD, but phase to neutral loads result in up to 60% VD?

If that is correct get the customer representative out there ASAP and show him/her the problem. Sounds like a neutral issue. If they will not address the issue explain when all your equipment is damaged due to the neutral issue you'll be after him/her and the utility for monies for replacement.

There are ways to test the neutral if this is a pad mounted transformer.
 

hardworkingstiff

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Wilmington, NC
kluchon said:
The problem:
Transformer is 150 feet from panel. Feeders are 1/0 alluminum in steel conduit. panel is 200 amp, 240 volt, 3phase, 4 wire.
Connected loads: (2) 3 phase motors, 208 volt.
Does this indicate you have 208-volt motors on a 240-volt supply?
Lighting, 120volt, and several receptacle circuits used for compressors and power tools.
When 3 phase motors are on by themselves, everything is okay, voltage drop tollerable.
When lighting on (same leg) very little amperage, minimal 3-4% voltage drop, 2 amp maximum draw.
When receptacle with heavy compressor or pump on, 60% voltage drop, causing high amperage and breaker to trip.
Have tried every possible test, moved receptacle circuits to different phase legs, only receptacle breakers on, only lighting on only 3 phase on.
Our determination is it has to be the nuetral is comprimised between transformer and panel (transformer powers another building with no apparent voltage drop, so we have determined that the incomming nuetral must be in tact).
Have you checked for amperage on the ground (from the point the neutral is grounded on the customer side)? When the receptacle circuit having the problem is on, what are the voltages 'phase to phase' and 'phase to neutral'.
Power company says they are not convinced. They think the load side might be causing the problem. We have tested all breakers off except one dedicated receptacle circuit. Only nuetral loads cause voltage drop. What else could cause voltage drop?

One other confusing note, the only load side conduit that goes through the concrete (into the ground) has only one circuit in it, when any circuit is live had arcing at the panel connector. We removed the circuit wiring that is running through the conduit in question, including the nuetral, still had arching when other circuits are on. This is why the power company says it has to be load side wiring?

What is arching to what?
 

kluchon

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100 amp not 200 amp Sorry for the typo

100 amp not 200 amp Sorry for the typo

Hey, sorry its 100 amp not 200 amp. The line size is fine. Our contenetion is that there has to be a nuetral problem since line to line loads don't cause the drop only line to nuetral loads. We have plugged the compressor into other buildings nd have not had a problem. It does draw 15 amps while running. The circuit in the building with the problem is a 20 amp circuit and should not show a 60% voltage drop. It seems to be a no-brainer but the PC is turning their back.

Ken
 
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