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What the ball park price would be for 6 circuits 440 3 Ph 40 amps in 3/4 EMT, going up from panel to ceiling 20', over the metal structure for 100' and go down 20' to end on twist lock recep, installing breakers to a siemens panel. all the circuits approx same length, metal beams on ceiling approx 6' apart and there is space on the floor to work with a lift.This is my first Industrial estimate so please Help!!!! :D
 
I'll help you by helping you help yourself.

1. The labor unit for the EMT in this case is going to be around 6.5 to 7 per hundred feet. Labor the wire at about 12-13 per thousand. Add labor for your fittings, devices and supports. Since you are installing multiple runs, there are some economies of scale. Your labor is going to go down a little if you are running six pipes at a time.

2. Call your local supply house and get the current prices for pipe, fittings, beam clamps or whatever you want to use for support, wire, twist-loks, and breakers.

3. Call United Rentals or Sunbelt and get a price on an electric scissor lift that has a 20' working height. Make sure to get delivery and pickup charges.

4. Come up with a good job cost and add your markup and overhead. That's your sell price. Be sure to qualify your proposal to indicate that the customer has to give you clear access for your lift(s).

You might be able to combine some of these circuits in one pipe and reduce the quantity, but be sure to derate as required.

Let us know if you need any more help, but this ought to get you started.
 
Re: Help with pricing

mtnelectrical said:
What the ball park price would be for 6 circuits 440 3 Ph 40 amps in 3/4 EMT,
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I would consider increasing the pipe size (and therefore conductor size) to reduce labor costs....but based on what you've given:

About $15,000...which includes lift rental for appx 2 weeks.
 
Celtic,

Not a bad figure, i did a real quick look, and figure about 14K depending on job conditions, clear working areas, all material staged on site, he has to work this one out, from planning to pricing.
 
mtnelectrical said:
Could you guys breakdown those numbers, because I am completely off. Thank you guys :?
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I knew that was coming :) , so I saved my calculations - let's hope they "translate" to this forum:

Qty Craft Hours Unit Material Labor Equipment Total
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  • Electric Metallic Tube (EMT) Conduit
    3/4", 10'
    100.00 L1@ 35.00 Ea 527.00 2,280.00 0.00 2,807.00

    10 Gauge Type THHN/THWN-2 Copper Building Wire
    Black, Stranded, 500' Coil
    8.00 L1@ 32.00 Ea 512.00 2,080.00 0.00 2,592.00

    1-Hole Strap, EMT, Adalet-ECM
    3/4", Pack of 100
    10.00 L1@ 40.00 Ea 69.80 2,600.00 0.00 2,669.80

    Set Screw Coupling, EMT
    Trade Size 3/4", Pack of 25
    40.00 L1@ 60.00 Ea 238.80 3,900.00 0.00 4,138.80

    Set Screw Connector, EMT
    Trade Size 3/4", Pack of 25
    1.00 L1@ 1.500 Ea 6.49 97.50 0.00 103.99

    Lift rental
    14.00 --@ .0000 Ea 0.00 0.00 1,400.00 1,400.00

__________________________________________________________________________

Total Manhours, Material, Labor, and Equipment:
168.5 1,354.09 10,957.50 1,400.00 13,711.59
Total Only (Subcontract) Costs: 0.00

Subtotal: 13,711.59

0.00% Overhead: 0.00
0.00% : Contingency 0.00
0.00% Profit: 0.00

Estimate Total: 13,711.59

0.00% Tax on Materials: 0.00
0.00% Tax on Labor: 0.00
0.00% Tax on Equipment: 0.00
0.00% Tax on Total Only Costs: 0.00
0.00% Tax on the Contract Price 0.00


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Well, they didn't translate so well...but it's all there.

What's not included are your cords/caps, strain reliefs, CBs, etc....this is a ball park number computed in about 20 minutes.

My estimate of 15k is about 10% higher than that 13k figure up there.
 
Celtic,

No wonder we were close, were both using the same program.

Hope he understands, he still has to add some profit to that.
 
satcom said:
Celtic,

No wonder we were close, were both using the same program.

Hope he understands, he still has to add some profit to that.
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Profit, overhead, markup...etc...ALL NEED TO BE ADDED


Sat, what did you use as your L1 rate - I used $65.
 
L1, 70

For commercial jobs, pretty much on target, it's the job conditions that can throw you off.
 
What I like about TNE/ HD Workisite CD (that's National Electrical Estimator) is that you can edit numbers quickly and easily.


What I do not like is that items are hard to find....I used the HD CD (same product, but FREE ) to find EMT - what a PITA :x ...searching the index wasn't much help either - I had to stumble around searching manually through fittings and other types of pipe.

TNE on the other hand has a decent searchable index - I guess you get what you pay for.
TNE is :
$33.23 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping.
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over at amazon (see link above for 2006 edition) which is cheaper than Craftsmanbooks or the Construction Book Store sells it for ($50 +/- plus shipping/tax)


The Home Depot Worksite CD

EDIT:
Added link for the HD CD (just a write-up) for Minuteman and/or Michael

:D
 
Hey--- Celtic ---

What do you mean when saying-- "Contingency" , heard of this term before but never used it because I know very little about what it is.

Could you fill me in?
Thanks - Mike :?
 
mjc said:
What do you mean when saying-- "Contingency" , heard of this term before but never used it because I know very little about what it is.

Could you fill me in?
Thanks - Mike :?
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"Contingency" (here) is a just an option available for a % or $ value based change on the estimate. TNE allows the user to change that to whatever term they wish to use. For our purposes (EC's) you could use that option to add a 5% (or whatever % you desire) increase across the boards for things like an increase in material prices if the contract is not agreed upon in the term stated, or perhaps a fixture allowance ($) the customer is unsure of - but wants a firm number attached to that item...or for any "unknown" variable...ie, demo work/trenching that is being subbed out by the HO/GC (-$) but is actually the EC's responsibility.

A few definitions from webster.com are:
1 : likely but not certain to happen : POSSIBLE
2 : not logically necessary; especially : EMPIRICAL
3 a : happening by chance or unforeseen causes b : subject to chance or unseen effects : UNPREDICTABLE c : intended for use in circumstances not completely foreseen
4 : dependent on or conditioned by something else
5 : not necessitated : determined by free choice

A "legal" definition would be:
- an event that might not occur.
(dictionary.law.com)

What is really boils down to is a "catch all phrase" that you can use to increase/decrease the estimate by a % or a $ value.

EDIT: Changed a few words
 
why would anyone give out secrets!
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Showing, that doing an estimate, gives you the tools to bid a job is a secret.

There are a lot of good electricians out there, that work hard, and do quality work, but they are held back, from making a business work, for lack of estimating skills, helping with information on the subject, helps all of us to get our skills up.
 
Thanks--- Celtic

" CONTINGENCY" I like this wording , The definitions fit my Estimates perfectly and help me in case all the bases aren't covered in full. I intend to incorporate it as a Global statement at the bottom of the estimate.

8) Mike :D
 
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