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I have a unique situation. There is a large warhouse we have to light up. The existing HID lights are over the shelves.

Here is the deal. The warehouse has a 35' ceiling. They do document storage. The shelves are 24' high and 48" wide. The isles are 30" wide. The boxes of documents are 18" high.

My first question is, what type of light might work in this application? 35' in the air and a 30" wide isle. We will demo. the existing HID hi-bay down lights. They are located over the shelves, rather than the isles.

My second question is, do any of you have a sugestion of how to get nearly 30' in the air, on a 30" wide isle, to install new lights?

I don't know of a scissor lift that narrow.
 
sparky_magoo said:
My second question is, do any of you have a sugestion of how to get nearly 30' in the air, on a 30" wide isle, to install new lights?

I don't know of a scissor lift that narrow.
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How about this:
JLG Model 2630ES
JLG_2646ES_scissor_lift_Medium_Picture.jpg


Specifications for Model 2630ES
DIMENSIONAL DATA
Platform Height- Elevated ~ 25 ft 6 in. (7.77 m)
Platform Height - Lowered ~ 48.5 in. (1.23 m)
Platform Railing Height ~ 43.3 in. (1.10)
- With Rails Folded ~ 6 ft 4.5 in. (1.94 m)
Platform Size ~ 30 x 90.5 in. (0.76 x 2.3 m)
Platform Extension ~ 35.5 in. (90 cm)
Overall Height ~ 7 ft 7.8 in. (2.33 m)
Overall Width ~ 30 in. (76 cm)
Overall Length ~ 7 ft 6.5 in. (2.3 m)
Wheelbase ~ 6 ft 2 in. (1.88 m)
Ground Clearance ~ 3.5 in. (89 mm)
Platform Capacity ~ 500/800 lb (227/363 kg)
Capacity on Platform Extension ~ 250 lb (113 kg)
Lift/Lower Time ~ 40/40 sec.
Maximum Drive Height ~ Full Height
Weight* ~ 4,750 lb (2,155 kg)
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http://www.jlg.com/default.asp

Turning radius might be issue..?

These types kind of suck..but they do have their usefullness:
AM-Manual.jpg

This one is a JLG Model 30AM
Specifications for Model 30AM
Working Height ~ 36 ft (10.97 m)
Platform Height ~ 29 ft 10 in. (9.09 m)
Platform Capacity ~ 350 lb (159 kg)
Platform Dimensions (L x W)
Standard Platform (Gull Wing Entry) ~ 26 x 25.5 in. (61 x 65 cm)
Overall Height - Stowed ~ 77.5 in. (1.97 m)
Overall Base Width ~ 29 in. (74 cm)
Overall Base Length ~ 52 in. (1.32 m)
- Without Platform ~ 47 in. (1.19 m)
Ground Entry Height ~ 19 in. (48 cm)
Outrigger Footprint Length ~ 68 in. (1.73 m)
Outrigger Footprint Width ~ 61 in. (1.55 m)
Distance to Wall - Front ~ 5 in. (13 cm)
Distance to Wall - Side ~ 18 in. (44 cm)
Weight - AC ~ 890 lb (404 kg)
Weight - DC
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http://www.jlg.com/products/product.asp?ProdID=62

The outriggers are the downfall here.

Final option is kind of obvious...how did they get those boxes up there in the first place?
Forklift and a "man-basket"?


NOTE:
Virtually EVERY lift I have ever been in that's a rental, requires that YOU supply your own fall protection. You can use the one that comes with the rental, but they charge you for it.
 
Re :HIGH BAYS

Re :HIGH BAYS

Hey Sparky,
Not Sure I Can Help You With The Manlift Deal, But You Could Try Raymond Or Crown Order Pickers, I Used Then Before In Heights Up To 40 Feet And They Are Very Narrow But Not Sure If They Fall In Your 30 Inch Footprint, How High Is The Product Stacked In Those 30 Inch Aisles?. Also How Long Are The Aisles?
With Concerns Of The High Bays, Ruud Lighting Makes Some Pretty Nice Products And Aisle Lighters To Suit Your Needs, Been Using Them For Years, Great Company And Product.
 
The isles are about fifty feet long. The product is stacked to about twenty seven feet. A small forklift is used, which I haven't seen, to move the boxes around. Turning radius will certainly be an issue.
 
Manuverability

Manuverability

Ok , Your Aisles Are 50 Feet Long And Your Product Is 27 Feet High. What Is Your Aisle Width At He Beginning And End Of Each Aisle. Can You Boom Into Each Aisle From Both Ends To Reach Your New Fixture Locations Without Worrying About The 30 Inch Aisle Dimensions?perhaps With Some Sort Of Articullated Boom?
 
RUWIREDRITE said:
What Is Your Aisle Width At He Beginning And End Of Each Aisle. Can You Boom Into Each Aisle From Both Ends ...
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A good question....followed by the next one...will the customer allow you to "hog up" that much floor space? Is the place "active" or really just a holding pen?
 
RUWIREDRITE said:
If The Customer Wants To Save On His Current Utility Bill ...
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I think the customer just wants some usable light:
sparky_magoo said:
The existing HID lights are over the shelves.
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Pretty useless OVER the shelves.

I had to do a similar job a few years back at a plumbing/refrig. supply/warehouse a few years back ...a Genie "Z" boom was all that would work.
 
The warehouse is very dark. It is used for off-site document storage. Not much traffic through the isles.

I don't know what a Genie Z boom is. I will check it out.
 
sparky_magoo said:
The warehouse is very dark. It is used for off-site document storage. Not much traffic through the isles.
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RU's idea could work...check main aisle widths and entry/exit access.
sparky_magoo said:
I don't know what a Genie Z boom is. I will check it out.
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This is a "Z-boom"...not much good for you - too wide.

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I could have driven a bucket truck up and down the aisles, but the outriggers would not have been operational.
 
I would probably go with similar hid lighting, maybe on a 5' downrod. and use the scissors lift, it is the safest and most efficient. It also goes when you're all the way up
 
depending on the length of the aisles, the Z lift may not get you there. The JLG scissor that Celtic posted seems like it would work. I'd think T5 industrial strip fixtures would be the way to go.
 
RUWIREDRITE said:
The T5 industrial strips are only good if the climate is right. They hate the cold .They also are about double of the aisle lighters
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What is the operating temperature range of T5 HO's? That's what we've used. I haven't seen them, but I understand that there are T5's and T5 HO. And admittedly I don't have experience with aisle lighter MH. How about the energy usage between T5HO and MH?
 
T5ho

T5ho

The T5HO's are probably the best option and if installed with a reflector the operating temperature will be less a factor due to the lamp actually raising the ambient air temp. These have been installed in the northeast in large warehouses w/unit heaters. The T5HO's burn hotter than other flourescent lamps. If you have to meet the IECC energy code for watts per square foot the HID fixtures may exceed the allowable watts per square foot and you will be forced to use T5 or T5HO. If your customer would like occupancy sensors down each aisle the flourescent is the only option. The flourecent is a better choice for eye relief if the stock is being picked frequently. See link http://www.lithonia.com/Energy/EnergyCalculators/GEB/source.pdf
 
you should check out the lithonia high bay i-beams. they are T5HO's, but they've got a heatsink inside and some special blue paint, at least that's how the lithonia rep made it sound, that makes it run very cool. anyway, lithonia claims 50% less power than 400w MH's, and the highest temp rated ballast available. at the time the rep was showing them to me, the end-user could get a tax break for installing these. check lithonia.com and they should have all the info.
 
Ditto Brant, I was thinking the same thing. I think we are about to do a small building with the I Beam fixtures from Lithonia. From what they tell me this will be the fixture of the future, Sam's Club, Walmart and other large store are retrofitting.
Also the Lithonia rep told me about an inductive fixture that they are using on a Lockheed Martin building that save tons in energy.
As far as the height of the platform here it sounds like maybe time to get a platform built to fit their forklift and see if it will work on the aisles.
 
Yep. i'm starting to see them in a lot of new 'big box' stores. forgot to mention too that they usually run within about 10% of the cost of high-bays, plus the tax incentive, it'd be hard to find a reason not to use them.
 
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