High-rise load centers location inside wall partition next to bathroom

[tico17]

Hi Team,

question for location of electrical panels in high rise residential building, we ran panel feeders in slab and we were planning installing panels in framed walls that are facing living room but other side is bathroom shower.

electrical engineer says that partition is consider a wet wall since there is plumbing risers running through from other floors. he said electrical panels are not allowed in those walls.

in my opinion there should be no water at all inside a partition wall, even if there is a water leak fire stopping from floors above should be water resistant to prevent water damages.

what do you guys think.

 

[texie]

Hi Team,

question for location of electrical panels in high rise residential building, we ran panel feeders in slab and we were planning installing panels in framed walls that are facing living room but other side is bathroom shower.

electrical engineer says that partition is consider a wet wall since there is plumbing risers running through from other floors. he said electrical panels are not allowed in those walls.

in my opinion there should be no water at all inside a partition wall, even if there is a water leak fire stopping from floors above should be water resistant to prevent water damages.

what do you guys think.

The engineer is wrong. Maybe he has other reasons and if he represents the owner it's his call to make though. Sounds like a lot of panels/money.

 

[tico17]

The engineer is wrong. Maybe he has other reasons and if he represents the owner it's his call to make though. Sounds like a lot of panels/money.

yes that's what i understood from code book. owner is on our side, i understand his point to avoid damages if there is a water leak issue but water should not be there at all. especially when most floor slabs are done in building and we are done with our conduits runs.

 

[augie47]

No engineered drawings ??

 

[tico17]

No engineered drawings ??

yes, out of 107 apts he put a few in that wall and lots of them in bedrooms and behind doors so i decided to move them and install them like the few he put in that partition wall that he has the issue, since verbally they said i can move them.

i didn't know he was waiting till the end to say i was not allowed to have them in that wall that he says is a wet wall.

 

[david]

unless the engineer is violating the code, the code cannot over rule the engineer.

He is the person of charge. he is the one who gets the call when someone wants to point the finger

 

[infinity]

Hi Team,

question for location of electrical panels in high rise residential building, we ran panel feeders in slab and we were planning installing panels in framed walls that are facing living room but other side is bathroom shower.

electrical engineer says that partition is consider a wet wall since there is plumbing risers running through from other floors. he said electrical panels are not allowed in those walls.

in my opinion there should be no water at all inside a partition wall, even if there is a water leak fire stopping from floors above should be water resistant to prevent water damages.

what do you guys think.

That's a new one. :roll:

The NEC doesn't care what the engineer calls it the panel is permitted in that stud space.

 

[david]

That's a new one. :roll:

The NEC doesn't care what the engineer calls it the panel is permitted in that stud space.

It might be allowed but you and i can only state if its an NEC violation, we cannot state it is permitted in that buildings stud space

He has to get the engineer to approve the location.

 

[sameguy]

This could be a expensive lesson on written vs verbal. As you now know always follow up verbal with a confirming email,letter,etc..
when ever you are making a change send an email,letter, well ahead of time stating your change and the date it would start; like in a week prior to doing the work.
As it is now you just lost big time.

 

[david]

Hi Team,

question for location of electrical panels in high rise residential building, we ran panel feeders in slab and we were planning installing panels in framed walls that are facing living room but other side is bathroom shower.

electrical engineer says that partition is consider a wet wall since there is plumbing risers running through from other floors. he said electrical panels are not allowed in those walls.

in my opinion there should be no water at all inside a partition wall, even if there is a water leak fire stopping from floors above should be water resistant to prevent water damages.

what do you guys think.

Why was the location changed from the location on the construction drawings?

 

[infinity]

It might be allowed but you and i can only state if its an NEC violation, we cannot state it is permitted in that buildings stud space

He has to get the engineer to approve the location.

True, but that's not really what I was saying. The engineer said that the stud space is a wet location which it is not. He can certainly design around the stud spaces that are common to the bathroom if it makes him feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[roger]

yes, out of 107 apts he put a few in that wall and lots of them in bedrooms and behind doors so i decided to move them and install them like the few he put in that partition wall that he has the issue, since verbally they said i can move them.

i didn't know he was waiting till the end to say i was not allowed to have them in that wall that he says is a wet wall.

I agree that the engineer is incorrect but, why did you want to move them from behind the bedroom door?

Roger