#### Scottywatt

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- Thread starter Scottywatt
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Ohms law says P= ExI. For the same power, voltage up, current down

He who?

He who?

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If you are looking at formulas for VA or Watts, then you are correct.

However if you are looking at the characteristics of a motor during starting then your instructor is correct.

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Ohms law says P= ExI. For the same power, voltage up, current down

He who?

If you are looking at formulas for VA or Watts, then you are correct.

However if you are looking at the characteristics of a motor during starting then your instructor is correct.

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I wish I new how to attach photo on this app and show you

Do you mean this chart?

Or do you mean P = EI x pf?

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Allow me:

For a given, fixed load impedance (AC resistance), the resultant current will rise and fall proportionately with the applied voltage.

For a desired resultant power, the load impedance must be changed so, as available voltage rises, a lower current will result.

Let me know if you need more clarification.

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It explicitly depends on what you are looking at.

If you have a load which is designed to consume constant power, then as voltage goes up current goes down. Examples of such loads are wide range lighting drivers, which consume constant power from say 100V to 277V, or spinning motors over their design voltage range.

If you are designing a power distribution system to deliver a certain amount of power, then as voltage goes up current goes down.

In both of these situations power is the constant and voltage and current are inversely related. In both of these situations the load impedance (resistance) is changing.

But in many situations power is _not_ constant, and instead it is the load impedance (resistance) that is constant. The prime example of this is a resistance heater. If you increase the voltage applied to a heater then the current goes up. When resistance is constant, current is directly related to voltage and power changes as the square of the voltage.

Motors are more complex beasties, with characteristics that change with rotor speed.

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Oopsie.

If you are looking at formulas for VA or Watts, then you are correct.

However if you are looking atthe characteristics of a motor during startingthen your instructor is correct.

Small error here.

If a motor drives a constant power load, then it will draw less current at equilibrium speed if the voltage is higher (up to the point that saturation occurs in the magnetic circuit of the motor).

However when the motor is not yet rotating (locked rotor or starting amps) the current will be greater for a higher applied voltage. This is why reduced voltage starting is sometimes used to limit starting current for a large motor.

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I was not trying to provide specifics, but rather to show the OP that not enough information had been presented.Oopsie.

Small error here.

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Ohm only studied conductivity. And Ohm's law only applies to E = I * R where R is 1/conductivity. It was about 10 years later that Joule studied power and evolved the power law.

See https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm .

See https://www.britannica.com/science/Joules-law .

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What you were taught is based on getting a certain amount of work done.

Example 12v @ 10 amps = 120 watts of power

120v@ 1 amp = 120 watts of power

Same work done with different current and voltage characteristics. I think you understand this........ Your right if you increase the voltage you can get the same power out with less current. But different loads behave differently (Reactive loads and resistive loads).

Now look at it differently. Take a purely resistive circuit such as an incandescent light bulb. The greater the voltage you apply to the light bulb the more current you will force through the static resistance. So as voltage goes up, the load will actually consume more current. In the case of an incandescent light bulb or resistive heating element, the current will get to a point where it will burn up the load.

Example:

An incandescent light bulb is rated at 60 watts at 120 volts. That means its normal operating current will be .5 amps. If you apply 120v to it.

Given that, we can calculate that its normal operating resistance is 240 ohms. Generally speaking that resistance is fixed. It technically increases as it heats up but for this lets ignore that.

So if it has 240 ohms of resistance what happens if we apply 240v instead of the 120 its designed for? Well 240v / 240 ohms = 1 amp. 240volts X 1 amp = 240 watts

The light bulb was designed for 1/2 amp and 60 watts of heat, if we double the voltage it will now have 1 amp flowing through it and be putting out 240 watts of heat. The result will be a bright shorth lived bulb.

So for resistive loads if the voltage goes up so does the current.

Example 12v @ 10 amps = 120 watts of power

120v@ 1 amp = 120 watts of power

Same work done with different current and voltage characteristics. I think you understand this........ Your right if you increase the voltage you can get the same power out with less current. But different loads behave differently (Reactive loads and resistive loads).

Now look at it differently. Take a purely resistive circuit such as an incandescent light bulb. The greater the voltage you apply to the light bulb the more current you will force through the static resistance. So as voltage goes up, the load will actually consume more current. In the case of an incandescent light bulb or resistive heating element, the current will get to a point where it will burn up the load.

Example:

An incandescent light bulb is rated at 60 watts at 120 volts. That means its normal operating current will be .5 amps. If you apply 120v to it.

Given that, we can calculate that its normal operating resistance is 240 ohms. Generally speaking that resistance is fixed. It technically increases as it heats up but for this lets ignore that.

So if it has 240 ohms of resistance what happens if we apply 240v instead of the 120 its designed for? Well 240v / 240 ohms = 1 amp. 240volts X 1 amp = 240 watts

The light bulb was designed for 1/2 amp and 60 watts of heat, if we double the voltage it will now have 1 amp flowing through it and be putting out 240 watts of heat. The result will be a bright shorth lived bulb.

So for resistive loads if the voltage goes up so does the current.

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