Finding qualified people is really difficult. Guys worth hiring already have a job and the guys looking can't do what's needed on a simple project. JM want $35-$40.hr but can't read drawing or run a simple project. I have 10yr Apprentice applying with all this experience saying they work better than JM but won't take JM exam so they can exploit all their options.
Hiring JM and AP
- Thread starter mannyb
- Start date
Not trying to be funny or curt but keep looking. Hiring someone that cannot perform the job they are hired to do is ridiculous, not to mention extremely bad business. This has been a problem for eons, the good people are being taken care of by their present employers and you will find one but it might be down the road aways
- Location
- Wisconsin
- Occupation
- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
I guess I don't understand how you have more options as an apprentice than you do as a JM. That decision has already cost them a job with you.
petersonra
Senior Member
- Location
- Northern illinois
- Occupation
- engineer
Perhaps he is unwilling to study enough to pass the test. As a practical matter, there is very little that electricians do in their daily lives that requires they pass a test on the whole code.
Usually a few pages covers most situations.
readydave8
re member
- Location
- Clarkesville, Georgia
- Occupation
- electrician
Weak alibi
Before and after *ovid. Before, companies were shameless about offering $25 / hr for highly skilled independent work, contractors and temp co's both.
You're quoting the after ovid market. There's more people on the sidewalk having lost what they had before, job, house, apt, but also getting those back by working for a living for it, has also gotten farther out of reach. 35 - 40 does not buy what it used to, especially if you expect electrical work is a middle class living. That would have been typically little job, little house, little car.
Guys at 40 / hr you'll see the gf drop them off for work. No car. Don't ask about the apt or house. You can see it on their faces before asking.
I've seen temp co's with an open call for *everyone* literally, but they had to work and a cut was made there. That was last year. This year Indeed job open ads are very way down. Job opens are cut way down. Normally a supply and demand issue.
Not today. The problem today is making a living (rent mortgage car payment) at the (higher) market rate. Guys with skills are in and out of work I see. If you cannot get there by working for it, that's the market incentive structure. You may be thinking in terms of separating wheat from chaff.
While you're doing that the larger structure of the market is making chaff out of everything throw into it.
You're quoting the after ovid market. There's more people on the sidewalk having lost what they had before, job, house, apt, but also getting those back by working for a living for it, has also gotten farther out of reach. 35 - 40 does not buy what it used to, especially if you expect electrical work is a middle class living. That would have been typically little job, little house, little car.
Guys at 40 / hr you'll see the gf drop them off for work. No car. Don't ask about the apt or house. You can see it on their faces before asking.
I've seen temp co's with an open call for *everyone* literally, but they had to work and a cut was made there. That was last year. This year Indeed job open ads are very way down. Job opens are cut way down. Normally a supply and demand issue.
Not today. The problem today is making a living (rent mortgage car payment) at the (higher) market rate. Guys with skills are in and out of work I see. If you cannot get there by working for it, that's the market incentive structure. You may be thinking in terms of separating wheat from chaff.
While you're doing that the larger structure of the market is making chaff out of everything throw into it.
Mr. Serious
Senior Member
- Location
- Oklahoma, USA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
Yeah, I've known a couple of long-time apprentices who think they're as good as a journeyman. Both of them said they were good at their job, but the one who actually was eventually studied hard and was able to pass the test. The other one is not as good as he says. I hired him for two projects within the last three years, and on both of them had to come behind him and fix stuff. He got all the boxes crooked on a residential rough-in job. It was bad enough that other apprentices noticed.