History of the National Electrical Code

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don_resqcapt19

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Re: History of the National Electrical Code

I find this comment on page 4 of the brochure interesting.
Clearly written with enforceable language
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I think that the code has a long way to go before that statement becomes a fact.
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iwire

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Joe the title of this post was "History of The NEC"

I downloaded the link you provided and what I found IMO would be best described as propaganda.

If I wanted the history of the Red Cross one of the last stops for me would be something the Red Cross puts out, too self serving.

No I have not made any attempts to change the code, yet. I plan to be involved in this trade for a long time and sometime I may try to enact a change.

I have great respect for the NEC and the people that choose to be involved in the process have a hard job.

But it is not a sacred document it is everyone right to question it, not just blindly follow it.

I can not recall being called negative before and I do not think I am now.

Bob
 
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Joe,
You know full well that I have made numerous proposals to improve the code over the years and including about 150 for this code cycle. You and I have had a number of discussions on the need for the NEC to remove the "vague and unenforceable" terms within the text. My only point with my comment is that the code still has many poorly worded sections and still uses most the terms listed in the NEC style manual to be avoided because they are "vague and unenforceable".
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joe tedesco

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I am aware of the proposals you submitted and found them in this cycle rejected where the term "EGC" was to be changed to "EBJ" and that the NEC will stay with the term "EGC"

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don_resqcapt19

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Joe,
I am aware of the proposals you submitted and found them in this cycle rejected where the term "EGC" was to be changed to "EBJ" and that the NEC will stay with the term "EGC"
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I only need one more vote on CMP 5 to make this happen. CMP 5 accepted my proposal, but one vote short of the NFPA required 2/3s majority. We may very well see this change in the 2005 code.
Don
 
iwire

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Funny you mention Leo, I took a 15hr update for 2002 at his school and going further back I attended a journeyman prep class by him in Boston.

He is a great guy, although I doubt I would interrupt his class with any unsolicited opinions, he would put me in place quickly.

But if he asked me what my opinion was I would give it to him.

He is not always on the side of the NEC, at least buy his statements in the 15 hr class I was in.

He seemed to say that the Mass amendments where needed to address issues he did not agree with in the NEC.

The change to 200.7(C)(2) was one change he seemed to strongly disagree with.

Bob
 
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Roger

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iwire

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Originally posted by joe tedesco:

The board is great place to hide behind a nickname and dance with the screen,
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I do not see anyone responding to you hiding their names.

Perhaps "arcblast" or "pseudonym" can join us? :roll:

edit

I just noticed my name has been removed from the bottom of my posts so I will add it back myself, although you know it already.

Bob Badger, MA

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roger

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Joe please notice that I edited my post before you posted.

Now as far as being chastised along with the company of Bennie, Don, and Iwire I will hold my head high.

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I will assume that many previous posts have been edited prior to my viewing of this thread. The comments don't seem too bad.
Every code is a living document, and must be modified on occasion. Hey, look, even NYC has made a significant change to use the guts of the NEC 1999 with some modification. If the ol boys of the NYC Dept. of Buildings could agree that change is needed, then there is hope. And even better, they chose to use the NEC, not another made up code from the whims of local inspectors.
The NEC covers many aspects of a far reaching trade. Almost every cycle has a new article or product type (TVSS, EV Charging, Fuel Cells, etc).
NEC is good, change is good, comments are good and criticism is good (as long as it is for a productive reason).
I wish some day to know enough about the NEC to make a submission of a change. Not yet, and probably not for a long time. Nothing p----s me off that much yet.

Edited a word that may be offensive to others, the content was not changed.

[ September 21, 2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: charlie ]
 
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Ed MacLaren

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I guess as a Canadian I really have no business butting into this discussion, however, I would like to relate what happened when the Canadian Electrical Code adopted the term "bonding conductor" in place of the previous "equipment grounding conductor", about fifteen years ago.

I was an instructor in our apprentice program at the time, and there was an immediate improvement in the level of confusion of the students regarding the subject of grounding/bonding.

It became much easier to explain that the primary purpose of the conductor in question was to connect (bond) the equipment enclosure to the supply source, to create a low impedance fault-clearing path, and that the connection to the earth was coincidental.

Don, I hope your proposal is adopted soon.

Ed
 
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bennie

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Roger: I too, now feel I have made the big one, to be included with the others.

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russellroberts

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Bob,Roger,and Bennie are some of the sharpest electricians I've ever seen,but even they don't always agree with each other.

All seem to know the code well,but also will question it if need be.

Thats one reason I like coming here,it's not just a bunch of blind follow the code leader.

Personally,I'd be proud to call any of them my foreman. :)

Russell
 
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bennie

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Thanks Russell: Anyone who always accepts things, without question, usually does not have a complete understanding of the subject.

Those who question the intelligence of authority, are improving and strengthening the system more than the pacifistic fanatics.
 
iwire

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Russell Thank you very much, being put with Bennie and Roger is a great compliment. :)

What would we learn if we all agreed on every issue?

Bob
 
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