Home Inspector problems.........

[JFletcher]

I don't see the sense in a city having a building code that contains electrical requirements and at the same time is under the NEC.

An electrician could very well do everything required under the NEC and be in violation of a building code. They either need to have just the NEC for electrical or go by the building code if it contains electrical requirements. Or the requirements need to be the same.

VA is under the 2012 IRC for residential, not under the NEC at all.

 

[Ingenieur]

http://codes.iccsafe.org/app/book/content/VA/2012_VA_Residential_HTML/Appendix Q.html

VA IRC references the NEC

Part VIII—Electrical

CHAPTER 34 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS

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SECTION E3401 GENERAL

E3401.1 Applicability.
The provisions of Chapters 34 through 43 shall establish the general scope of the electrical system and equipment requirements of this code. Chapters 34 through 43 cover those wiring methods and materials most commonly encountered in the construction of one- and two-family dwellings and structures regulated by this code. Other wiring methods, materials and subject matter covered in NFPA 70 are also allowed by this code.

E3401.2 Scope.
Chapters 34 through 43 shall cover the installation of electrical systems, equipment and components indoors and outdoors that are within the scope of this code, including services, power distribution systems, fixtures, appliances, devices and appurtenances. Services within the scope of this code shall be limited to 120/240-volt, 0- to 400-ampere, single-phase systems. These chapters specifically cover the equipment, fixtures, appliances, wiring methods and materials that are most commonly used in the construction or alteration of one- and two-family dwellings and accessory structures regulated by this code. The omission from these chapters of any material or method of construction provided for in the referenced standard NFPA 70 shall not be construed as prohibiting the use of such material or method of construction. Electrical systems, equipment or components not specifically covered in these chapters shall comply with the applicable provisions of NFPA 70.

 

[david]

Nope
103.2 Maintenance requirements. Buildings and struc-tures shall be maintained and kept in good repair in ac-cordance with the requirements of this code and when ap-plicable in accordance with the USBC under which such building or structure was constructed. No provision of this code shall require alterations to be made to an existing building or structure or to equipment unless conditions are present which meet the definition of an unsafe structure or a structure unfit for human occupancy.

The lack of a receptacle in a 1/2 bath is not going to fit the criteria above.

only applies to new construction?
or renovations of a certain scope
does not include transactions of single family dwellings

2. SECTION 103APPLICATION OF CODE
   

103.1 General. In accordance with Section 36-99 of the Code of Virginia, the USBC shall prescribe building regulations tobe complied with in the construction and rehabilitation of buildings and structures, and the equipment therein.

i'm not sure that is clear in 103.1, however i think the point was made in 103.2

 

[cowboyjwc]

You might want to check and see if there is a permit for a 1/2 bath (powder room).

 

[Sierrasparky]

I don't get what the big issue is.
If the house at the time was constructed required a outlet in that bath then it is required today. Period. Just because it may have passed does not matter.
Existing non- conforming only works it it complied at the time.

All of you folks out there that think... Whooosh I passed and I did not do this and that because you were cheap means nothing.

 

[jumper]

I don't get what the big issue is.
If the house at the time was constructed required a outlet in that bath then it is required today. Period. Just because it may have passed does not matter.
Existing non- conforming only works it it complied at the time.

If the OP is correct about the house being built in 1970 then no receptacle was required. Full or 1/2 bath.

1971 NEC was the first time bathroom receptacle was required and VA adopts one cycle behind.

 

[iwire]

If the OP is correct about the house being built in 1970 then no receptacle was required. Full or 1/2 bath.

1971 NEC was the first time bathroom receptacle was required and VA adopts one cycle behind.

But it has nothng to do with what was required in 1971, it is not a code inspection.

 

[jumper]

But it has nothng to do with what was required in 1971, it is not a code inspection.

Uh, Bob I already agreed to that.

I was merely saying it was compliant to begin with and as I stated earlier, no VA code would force an owner to install one.

 

[roger]

I don't get what the big issue is.
If the house at the time was constructed required a outlet in that bath then it is required today.

So one solution would be to just install one that would have been state of the art for that time period.



Roger