Homeowner thinks he's an electrician

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sparky 134

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Joliet, IL
I'm trimming out a house I roughed in Nov/Dec 2007. The homeowner was doing most of the interior work hence the delay in finishing the project. Anyway, he fancies himself an electrician and took it upon himself to add additional openings (lights, receptacles, etc) inbetween the time I roughed it and now. He also moved some of my junction boxes.

Well, I guess he didn't follow the wiring diagrams for his brand new, two sided gas fireplace. I had left a whip for the fireplace and instead of calling when it was time to set the fireplace he took it upon himself to wire it. Yesterday, I turned on the living room circuit, heard a very loud bang, the breaker tripped out so we went to investigate. Didn't take long to figure out where the problem was since the smoke wafting out of the fireplace was kinda' a giveaway. I'm guessing he tied the low voltage controls to the 120volt circuit and blew up the control box.

Next, another circuit was tripping when I flipped a 3way switch. After spending an hour opening up cans/switches I found a gray #14 spliced to the can hot and the circuit hot. Thinking my guy made a mistake I proceeded to start fixing it when I noticed the yellow switch leg was missing. Once again, Mr. Homeowner played electrician and moved the can down so he could build a drywall arch. The yellow switch leg was too short so he spliced a 6" piece of gray onto the yellow switch leg, wrapped it with tape and buried it inside the EMT. He did this with the hot wire also.

So, I am scheduling a final inspection for Thursday even though the homeowner is not done with his electrical work. I also informed the building department what was happening and they suggested I create a list of the work that was not performed by me and send it to them.

I asked the homeowner if he modified anything else and of course the answer was no. My vindication is knowing he will be replacing the fireplace controller. He asked me if I could fix it but I declined.
 

Dennis Alwon

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Chapel Hill, NC
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Retired Electrical Contractor
I had a homeowners boyfriend do some work on my job. Fortunately the builder told me about it. I called the HO and said if he touched another thing I was off the job and her boyfriend could finish it.

BTW this women's family owned a drug store chain. Her bathroom faucet was made from emeralds-- certainly she could have afforded to pay me to come back rather than cheap out using her boyfriend. I did finish the job but I will not go back there.
 

jimmyglen

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I made the mistake of allowing a guy (who is a circuit court judge) to have me come in and do some part of the work he wanted (sconces on an old wood fireplace with wiremold going down the backside)

and then he had to do some part of the wiremold and woodwork

and then we had to come back and finish

all T and M on a serice call

he loved to call me and scold me about how we didnt leave the wire with enough slack etc etc etc - we had to go back on our own time and move stuff etc

what a mess
 

480sparky

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Iowegia
Right from my boilerplate contracts:

19. CHANGES AND MODIFICATIONS TO WORK:If, during the course of this contract or any agreed-upon change orders or during the warranty period, any work installed by Code Electric is modified, altered, revised or otherwise changed by anyone other than a Code Electric employee or assign, and/or without our consent, no warranty will be given. Further work will not be performed on the changed portion(s) unless Code Electric can be fully satisfied that the changes done are consistent with our installation policies and governing Codes. Labor and material needed to confirm acceptance will be charged to the Owner/Contractor as an additional expense above and beyond the price given in this proposal.
 

mivey

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just enough knowledge to be a thorn in your side

just enough knowledge to be a thorn in your side

Been there. You don't need but one chief on the job. It was a pain the whole time having to fix goofy stuff, trying to accommodate the ridiculous changes, and explain away the ignorant.

Too many chiefs talking to the AHJ and every other expert that knew how to flip a switch. Unfortunately, the AHJ was weak on some of the code and some of that mis-information didn't help.

I kept having to do a walk-around every visit to see if I could find any more hidden treasures that needed to be fixed or to see what had been destroyed.

Some unlicensed linemen from the local EMC even came in to do some work after hours. What a bunch of hacks, but they were looked at to be experts because they worked for the POCO.:roll: They are also in tight with the AHJ and often do unlicensed work.:mad:

I just copied 480's section and am going to claim it for myself. Thanks for the freebie.:smile:
 

billsnuff

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480 has a weak spot................

fritters.JPG


methinks he can be bought :grin:
 

mivey

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mivey

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I sure hope they taste better than they look. :cool:
My favorites are the ones with apple in them. A cold glass of milk justs puts them over the top.

We had a local store that used to call them "uglies".

Man, I wish I had one right now. Or two.
 
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