Hot phase on breaker

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Volta

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Columbus, Ohio
The customer (restaurant) had their main trip yesterday, They reset it before they had me there. The (service) panel is 3 phase, the 300 amp main breaker is an ITE JXD23B300, the wire connectors are TA2J6500, made for parallel, but using one 300 or 350 cu per phase (can't tell precisely).

Without vouching for the absolute accuracy due to emissivity, with a simple IR thermometer I read up to 140 deg F on A, 166 on C, and 209 on C phase, all on the line connection, while the max currents were 81, 83, and 60 amps respectively.

New installation this year by others, with used equipment. Visually looked ok, no discoloration yet.

Had the PUCO there this morning, they disconnected C phase (only ), I removed the line connection with a torque wrench, it seemed to be at least the 300 lb-in needed, looked ok within. I removed the wire connector by hand, felt that the two bolts should have been tighter, but no numbers to go by. Looked ok, a little anti-ox and fine steel wool, reassembled, and found very similar temperature differences from phase to phase.

Long story, I know. I think we need a new breaker. At about $2000 new locally though, less online new or used, I just want to be as sure as possible before we do it.

The temp after the reconnection from line side to load was: A line 114, load 109. B line 126, load 116. C line 183, load 146. Currents were 64, 49, and 58.
A few inches torward the utility from the main the conductors were under 100 deg F.

Think I'm missing anything? Could it be anything other than the breaker?
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
Occupation
Electrical Contractor
Do a FOP with a meter to confirm but it sounds like C is shot.
Agreed. Measure the voltage across each phase of the breaker while under load, in case you're not sure what FOP means.

If there's power being dissipated in the breaker, it will be due to an internal voltage drop.
 
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charlietuna

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With the breaker only lightly loaded and those temp. readings the heat is being generated either in the wire terminal, or the lug's connection to the breaker, or the breaker itself(internal contacts). If you had an IR camera you could pinpoint the problem. Since you mentioned this was used equipment, who knows what this beaker has been through?? But if you replace it -- make sure you clean or replace the terminal lugs and clean the cable terminations coating them with knowlox and of course properly torque everything. Because breakers are expensive they don't get thrown away when replaced--but there was a reason they were replaced????
 

Volta

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Location
Columbus, Ohio
Good point about the used equipment. I think it is the entire panel that was used, with the breaker (possibly) original to it, from a demo. job.
 

zog

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Location
Charlotte, NC
Good point about the used equipment. I think it is the entire panel that was used, with the breaker (possibly) original to it, from a demo. job.

This is a prime example of the importance of buying reconditioned equipment that is rebuilt to the standards set by PEARL and is fully tested. Most of the junk you find on line is just "used", not tested, no waranty, just junk. If you buy this junk you better test it per ANSI/NETA specs prior to installation.
 
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