hotel receptacle requirements

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I am wiring a hotel and the local inspector wrote me up too add receptacle every 6'and 12'. I told him that 210.60(B) only requires that I have the same amount of receptacles and not the same placement. Was I right about this? He is making add more than what is required what should I do?
 
bphgravity said:
The provisions of 210.52 must still be met...
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Bryan, doesn't 210.60 say something about the placement? I think as long as you have the same amount as required by 210.52 you would be ok. But I think you can arrange the receptacles according to permanant furniture layout thus giving you more range on the placement. The 6' from opening is not required as long as you have at least 2 readily accessible. Please advise.
 
I have meet the provisions of 210.52 via 210.60 I have installed the number of receptacles that were required by 210.52 but since this is a hotel they are installed based on the furniture layout so they do not meet the 6' and 12' layout.
 
210.60 still requires that the provisions of 210.52(A) and 210.52(D) be met.

210.52(A) is the gereral provisions and 210.52(A)(1) is the spacing requirements.

Chris
 
(B) Receptacle Placement In applying the provisions of 210.52(A), the total number of receptacle outlets shall not be less than the minimum number that would comply with the provisions of that section. These receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be located conveniently for permanent furniture layout. At least two receptacle outlets shall be readily accessible. ...
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I agree with the original poster. 210.60 is a modification to the spacing requirements in 210.52.
Don
 
bphgravity said:
No. 210.52 and 210.60 must be met. Neither one changes the requirements of the other.
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Perhaps it would be helpful if you could expand further on how this would be accomplished/possible.

Otherwise I would have to agree with Don.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
I agree with the original poster. 210.60 is a modification to the spacing requirements in 210.52.
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Thanks Don. I wire hiserise hotels all around Tahoe and Reno and I never had this problem. The inspector got very angry when I told him what it said in 210.60. I think I will have to call the building department and talk to the head inspector.
 
Although not an offical interpertation the explanatory print (2005 HB) to 210.60 will support the application of the language of 210.60

Charlie
 
Yes, the handbook clearly shows an 8' wall without any receptacle, and the commentary says that you can put the receptacles at "practical locations".

If the spacing rules of 210.52(A) apply, what purpose would 201.60(B) serve? It wouldn't be possible to install receptacles per 210.52(A), and have fewer receptacles than 210.52(A) requires.

Maybe if you can show the inspector the handbook, he will accept that.

Steve
 
I wouldn't. Not all hotel/motel plans indicate interior design so furniture placement is not always known on Rough or Final inspection. The receptacle outlet layout should as closely follow the provisions of 210.52. In the event furniture is planned or installed, the outlet location may need to be shifted one way or the other to comply.

I don't feel section 210.60 permits one to count the amount of receptacles that would "normally" be installed in the room per 210.52 and place them where ever you want.

The handbook picture and commentary appears flawed.
 
bphgravity said:
I wouldn't. Not all hotel/motel plans indicate interior design so furniture placement is not always known on Rough or Final inspection. The receptacle outlet layout should as closely follow the provisions of 210.52. In the event furniture is planned or installed, the outlet location may need to be shifted one way or the other to comply.

I don't feel section 210.60 permits one to count the amount of receptacles that would "normally" be installed in the room per 210.52 and place them where ever you want.

The handbook picture and commentary appears flawed.
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I have never wired a hotel that didn't include a furniture layout. Maybe some cheap motel wouldn't have a furniture layout, but the type of work I do in high end hotels and casinos the furniture layout is very important and the first thing we do is a 100% complete mock-up of the units to verify that the unit layout complied with the furniture layout. The mock-up units were already approved by the head inspector and now we copy these units all the way up. So I guess I disagree with you.
 
bphgravity said:
I wouldn't. I don't feel section 210.60 permits one to count the amount of receptacles that would "normally" be installed in the room per 210.52 and place them where ever you want.

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I'm pretty confused this language appears rather straight forward to me

B) Receptacle Placement. In applying the provisions of 210.52(A), the total number of receptacle outlets shall not be less than the minimum number that would comply with the provisions of that section. These receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be located conveniently for permanent furniture layout. At least two receptacle outlets shall be readily accessible.


Charlie
 
cpal said:
I'm pretty confused this language appears rather straight forward to me

B) Receptacle Placement. In applying the provisions of 210.52(A), the total number of receptacle outlets shall not be less than the minimum number that would comply with the provisions of that section. These receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be located conveniently for permanent furniture layout. At least two receptacle outlets shall be readily accessible.


Charlie
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Charlie, This is what I have installed. Just as it says in the code book. I always comply with the code.
 
I have wired several motels as well and have always wired according to the op's method. total # of recepts must be the same as req'd by 210.52 but spacing need not comply with 210.52. Never had an inspector question this method and agree that the OP is interpreting it correctly.
 
bphgravity said:
No. 210.52 and 210.60 must be met. Neither one changes the requirements of the other.
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I must respectfully disagree. 210.60(B) is very clear that the spacing can be changed in guest rooms to match the "permanent" furniture layout. The quantiy from 210.52 is still required, but the 6'/12' spacing from 210.52 is not.

Martin
 
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