Hours from the past.

[Darenger]

Hi everyone, I've recently passed the Texas Journeyman electricians exam. I had been an apprentice for 11 yrs documented.
Are the extra hours I logged as an apprentice able to be applied towards my Master license eligibility now that I am a Journeyman? Texas states must hold journeyman card for 2 yrs.
I may or may not have the opportunity to log hours through a master during the next 2 years.
Thank You
TEXAS

 

[kwired]

Hi everyone, I've recently passed the Texas Journeyman electricians exam. I had been an apprentice for 11 yrs documented.
Are the extra hours I logged as an apprentice able to be applied towards my Master license eligibility now that I am a Journeyman? Texas states must hold journeyman card for 2 yrs.
I may or may not have the opportunity to log hours through a master during the next 2 years.
Thank You
TEXAS

My guess is no. Here those hours wouldn't count. Here you only need to hold a journeyman license for a year before eligible to test for contractor license (there is no "master" anymore). But I don't think they even ask for work hours once you attain an electrical license, you just need such hours to be able to qualify to even test for the initial license (the journeyman or certain "special installers" licenses. Now to move up from those special installers licenses there may still need to be experience documentation, I'm not certain.

Here apprentices are not licensed - they are registered in order to help with track their work experiences for the purpose of attaining licensing. There may be ways to be granted the experience but being registered usually means less hoops to jump through to be granted acceptable experience.

 

[Darenger]

My guess is no. Here those hours wouldn't count. Here you only need to hold a journeyman license for a year before eligible to test for contractor license (there is no "master" anymore). But I don't think they even ask for work hours once you attain an electrical license, you just need such hours to be able to qualify to even test for the initial license (the journeyman or certain "special installers" licenses. Now to move up from those special installers licenses there may still need to be experience documentation, I'm not certain.

Here apprentices are not licensed - they are registered in order to help with track their work experiences for the purpose of attaining licensing. There may be ways to be granted the experience but being registered usually means less hoops to jump through to be granted acceptable experience.

kwired....Thank you for your insight although in Texas it seems it may be different than NE. I may me putting too much thought into this but the T.D.L.R says this.

- 12,000 hours of on-the-job training under the supervision of a master electrician;
- Hold a journeyman electrician license for at least two years;
- Passing score on the master electrician examination.

I interpret it as ...YES.... I'll be eligible in two years even if I don't log any more hours.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

[kwired]

kwired....Thank you for your insight although in Texas it seems it may be different than NE. I may me putting too much thought into this but the T.D.L.R says this.

- 12,000 hours of on-the-job training under the supervision of a master electrician;
- Hold a journeyman electrician license for at least two years;
- Passing score on the master electrician examination.

I interpret it as ...YES.... I'll be eligible in two years even if I don't log any more hours.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

Depends if there is an "and" or an "or" in the actual wording. If those are the three key things, seems passing the exam will always be required - so probably an "and" in there - if so you must meet all three requirements.

 

[JFletcher]

Welcome to The Forum. Condition number two, must have held a journeyman's license for 2 years, is what I think will get you. Doesn't matter if you pass your Masters exam with a 100% score and have 30000 hours under a master electrician, it seems to me that it will take two years from the time you obtain your journeymans to the time you obtain your masters.

 

[Darenger]

Guys thanks for your input......Obviously I have to wait 2 years. I know that.
That isn't my question.

This is copy and pasted from T.D.L.R. website.

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[FONT=&quot]- 12,000 hours of on-the-job training under the supervision of a master electrician;
- Hold a journeyman electrician license for at least two years;
- Passing score on the master electrician examination.

Am I wrong the way I'm interpreting this?
I already have the hours.....even though I just obtained Journeyman Electricians license 4 days ago.
I logged the hours as an apprentice.
I likely will not have a chance to log hours through a master during the next two years.

My course of action: Take the Master Exam in 2 years......regardless of whether or not I log any hours AS A JOURNEYMAN.

Now do you guys see what I am asking?

I'm calling the TDLR tomorrow....but I think it's worth the discussion.
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[JFletcher]

It does not appear you have to log any hours as a journeyman. You will probably have to wait till Tuesday to talk to somebody official though, tomorrow's a holiday

 

[Darenger]

The Monday Holiday Strikes Again!!!!......that's probably the fifth time in a week I've said "See you Monday", or "I'll follow up Monday"

Thanks

 

[kwired]

Guys thanks for your input......Obviously I have to wait 2 years. I know that.
That isn't my question.

This is copy and pasted from T.D.L.R. website.

Master Electrician
- 12,000 hours of on-the-job training under the supervision of a master electrician;
- Hold a journeyman electrician license for at least two years;
- Passing score on the master electrician examination.

Am I wrong the way I'm interpreting this?
I already have the hours.....even though I just obtained Journeyman Electricians license 4 days ago.
I logged the hours as an apprentice.
I likely will not have a chance to log hours through a master during the next two years.

My course of action: Take the Master Exam in 2 years......regardless of whether or not I log any hours AS A JOURNEYMAN.

Now do you guys see what I am asking?

I'm calling the TDLR tomorrow....but I think it's worth the discussion.

I agree it isn't really clear what they intend to mean.

But if you consider that you will need to be a Jman at least two years and that there are 730 days in two years, that means if you must get 12000 hours in those two years that is over 16 hours a day and doesn't even allow for getting any days off at all.

 

[Darenger]

I agree it isn't really clear what they intend to mean.

But if you consider that you will need to be a Jman at least two years and that there are 730 days in two years, that means if you must get 12000 hours in those two years that is over 16 hours a day and doesn't even allow for getting any days off at all.

Exactly....The numbers alone are what lead me into questioning about this.
I'm likely overthinking it, but I suppose that's what arena's such as this are for.....ehe?

Thanks

 

[Coppersmith]

In Florida, you also need 12,000 hours to apply for an EC license. Those hours can be any hours worked under the supervision of an EC. Most of the hours I submitted were apprentice hours and they were accepted without comment. In order to get an unlimited licence (which allows me to work on any type of electrical stuff) I also had to prove that 40% of those hours were in three-phase work. That was the hard part. Since I'm union (and therefore get hired and layed off frequently), my application was about a 1/2" thick. I had three pages of proof for each employer and many employers. When I appeared before the electrical board to get my licence granted, they commented on the thickness of the app.

 

[kwired]

In Florida, you also need 12,000 hours to apply for an EC license. Those hours can be any hours worked under the supervision of an EC. Most of the hours I submitted were apprentice hours and they were accepted without comment. In order to get an unlimited licence (which allows me to work on any type of electrical stuff) I also had to prove that 40% of those hours were in three-phase work. That was the hard part. Since I'm union (and therefore get hired and layed off frequently), my application was about a 1/2" thick. I had three pages of proof for each employer and many employers. When I appeared before the electrical board to get my licence granted, they commented on the thickness of the app.

I bet they read very little of it. First couple pages had the most important info and they may not have gone much further other then flipping pages and only stopping if something caught their attention.

 

[JFletcher]

I agree it isn't really clear what they intend to mean.

But if you consider that you will need to be a Jman at least two years and that there are 730 days in two years, that means if you must get 12000 hours in those two years that is over 16 hours a day and doesn't even allow for getting any days off at all.

You do not have to get 12000 hours in two years, obviously 6 years work.

I remember when I was getting my wastewater licenses, there is a class 4, a class 3, a Class 2, in a Class 1, the last of which is an unlimited license to run any plant in the state of Virginia. You can skip the class 4 exam and go straight to the class 3, however sitting for that requires 4000 hours on the job, 2 years of schooling, or an acceptable combination of the two. I had the combination of the two, Sat for the exam and passed it with neither 4000 hours of training nor 2 years of school.

After that you have to wait a year before sitting for your class 2 exam, and another year for sitting for your class 1. The reality is you cannot accrue hours any faster than this because you can only take school so fast, and even working a ton of overtime barely makes a dent into 2000 hours

The position I worked technically required you to obtain a class 1 license within 8 years of obtaining the position, though I know guys way past that without their class 1 licenses.

Those licenses really only mattered as far as pay went and promotions. Sure the education is important, however law only requires that a licensed operator, 1 person, be available at the plant. There were times at one plant I worked at when neither operator on shift not only lack the license, neither operator had been there more than a month.

Quite a bit different in the electrical world. Having your hours documented from a license master electrician is the most important thing

 

[Darenger]

I have a great relationship with my original Master. Also his Son "the one who actually showed me the light!!", is another Master up my sleeve. I have also worked with a third Master whom I believe is very confident in my judgment. In the end I have numerous resources when it comes to submitting more hours regardless of when they "actually" happened, and I believe they would sign off without question.

I suppose I'm just excited......
new to the forum!!!
recently licensed JE
Thanks Everyone