How are you inspecting CEE

[augie47]

TN, kicking and screaming, is being drawn into the '08 Code (with ammendments) after many years on the '02.
There is a lot of controversy concerning CEE inspections. Some of the local jurisdictions have been enforcing CEE rules and allowing building (footer) inspectors to certify the steel is correct an allow a re-bar "stub-out".
Others have propesd it's an electrical connection and must be inspected by an electrical inspector.
I would appredciate input as to the requirements other agencies have on this inspection and what they are doing if the footer is completed without this being adddressed.

 

[chris kennedy]

Here the EI signs off on it. We have an inspection code on our permits for a CCE inspection.

 

[iwire]

Electrical permit must be pulled and the CEE must be looked at and signed off before the builder can pour concrete.

 

[raider1]

In Utah, we have combination inspectors. I insepct the footing for structural steel placement and at the same time check it off as a CEE and make a note as to where the rebar stub is or where the copper conductor is located.

Chris

 

[infinity]

Here the building inspector checks the CEE during the footing inspection. IMO if you are smart enough to inspect an entire building you certainly can inspect a CEE.

 

[JohnJ0906]

Here the building inspector checks the CEE during the footing inspection.

Same here.

 

[chris kennedy]

IMO if you are smart enough to inspect an entire building you certainly can inspect a CEE.

They look for BD connectors and get in there to make sure the connection is tight? Here the EI's do.

 

[bphgravity]

Under FS 468 (Florida), only a licensed electrical inspector can approve electrical components and installations, including grounding electrodes. When the connection is to be made to a concrete encased rebar, it is typcial to allow the licensed building inspector to verify the rebar size, length, and location, with the conductor termination to it inspected by the EI at some other point in time.

In no case should a building inspector be approving the electrical installations themselves. And it really should not be the rebar / concrete contractor making the installation. (realizing it is happening all the time)

 

[wasasparky]

Do the EI's inspect water pipe used as electrode?

If it is rebar, then maybe a building inspector can manage...

If you use copper wire, then I guess it becomes more obvious an EI should be involved...

 

[bphgravity]

Do the EI's inspect water pipe used as electrode?

No. Only the connection to it.

 

[C3PO]

Even if it means purchaseing an additional permit. I think it should be inspected by an EI(some areas in TN do not have any building codes) I also think the EC's should be installing/connecting them. I am curious to see how TN decides to handle it.

 

[infinity]

They look for BD connectors and get in there to make sure the connection is tight? Here the EI's do.

Did you mean DB (direct burial) connectors? I honestly don't know what they do since I'm never around for a footing inspection by the building inspector. I'm sure that he does whatever the EI would do.

 

[wasasparky]

No. Only the connection to it.

Then can the same argument be made for rebar as an electrode?
Who cares who installs it?-EI inspects the connection to it...

 

[Minuteman]

Here the building inspector checks the CEE during the footing inspection. IMO if you are smart enough to inspect an entire building you certainly can inspect a CEE.

Same here.

 

[76nemo]

In my home town, the inspector only looks for the water pipe connection. We sit right on the river bank. Two rods don't mean squat.

 

[bphgravity]

Then can the same argument be made for rebar as an electrode?
Who cares who installs it?-EI inspects the connection to it...

That's correct.

 

[ablue]

does the copper ground wire leaving the bottom or side of the footer require a sleeve of
any type as it travels the 8 inches through the concreate to the dirt and up into the service.

 

[barbeer]

Under FS 468 (Florida), only a licensed electrical inspector can approve electrical components and installations, including grounding electrodes. When the connection is to be made to a concrete encased rebar, it is typcial to allow the licensed building inspector to verify the rebar size, length, and location, with the conductor termination to it inspected by the EI at some other point in time.

In no case should a building inspector be approving the electrical installations themselves. And it really should not be the rebar / concrete contractor making the installation. (realizing it is happening all the time)

Ditto.....

 

[gndrod]

CEE location

CEE location

does the copper ground wire leaving the bottom or side of the footer require a sleeve of
any type as it travels the 8 inches through the concreate to the dirt and up into the service.

Ablue,

The CEE copper electrode ground must be contained by 2" encasement both horizontally and vertically until it exits above the foundation concrete. [250.52(A)(3)] Encased

 

[luckyshadow]

In the jurisdiction I work for if the EC has not had a inspection of the CEE we ask for a letter from an engineer verifying it. The letter must be an original on letterhead with the the PE stamp.