How did you do?

[ryan_618]

Between the proposals I submitted and the ones I helped Mike submit, I ended up having 144 proposals. 56 accepted, 88 rejected.

I thought I would have a higher percentage, but two things killed it:
1) Rejecting the proposals to change fixture wire to luminaire wire several times, and
2) companion proposals to 250.32(B)(2). The proposal to 250.32(B)(2) was accepted, but none of the companion proposals were.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Almost none of mine passed. There is a fundmental difference in how we read the code here and how the CMP reads it. The whole idea that the code is a permissive document was tossed out by the panel action on some of my proposals.
Don

 

[tom baker]

My one proposal on allowing the continued use of traffic signal cable with the green conductor used for the green lamp was rejected. But the reason why was wrong. I'll get a notice in the traffic signal magazine for industry comments.

 

[ryan_618]

Almost none of mine passed. There is a fundmental difference in how we read the code here and how the CMP reads it. The whole idea that the code is a permissive document was tossed out by the panel action on some of my proposals.
Don

I noticed that in your 310.4 proposal, which I think should have passed.

 

[George Stolz]

I was reading 250's ROP's last night, and noticed Don's Ground "Lateral" proposal failed, which I thought was a sure thing.

Mr. Mello put in best:

The panel statement that a ?ground lateral? is not currently defined is negated by the fact that a ?ground ring? is also not currently defined except by 250.52(A)(4) exactly where the submitter wants to add this other option. ... If 20 feet of 2 AWG copper in a circular shape around a building or structure is acceptable, what is the technical reason for 20 feet of 2 AWG copper buried along side the building or structure or radiating out from one or more sides or corners not acceptable? The same earth contact is achieved at the same burial depth etc. The panel action should have been to accept this proposal.

If they don't like the term "lateral" I think they could come up with a more palatable alternative. I'd like to see some links to the utility's "counterpoise" electrode, I've not heard of or seen this mentioned before. That might be the key to getting this one passed, IMO.

 

[iwire]

There is a fundmental difference in how we read the code here and how the CMP reads it. The whole idea that the code is a permissive document was tossed out by the panel action on some of my proposals.
Don

I remember you bringing this up earlier and it does seem more than odd.

I really wonder if the courts would agree with the CMPs if push comes to shove.

How can the NEC be anything but permissive?

If it is not permissive it will have to become much larger to allow everything we currently do that is not specifically addressed by the current code.

 

[George Stolz]

That settles it. We need to start a campaign to get all CMP members duct-taped to a chair and connected to this forum, so that we may begin the brainwashing!

Okay, so who's got the members of CMP-1? Volunteers?

 

[jwelectric]

I am rather pleased with these CMP members myself although I do believe some could benefit from a few hours on this forum.

After a few heated debates I was glad to see log #605 &606 section 220.52(A) & (B) was accepted in principle. Log #472 confirms that 1500VA is to be included for each and every small appliance and laundry circuit installed.

Log #1299 Article 100 definition of lighting outlet was accepted in Principle
Log #1298 section 250.32(A) was accepted
Log #1300 210.52(B)(2) was rejected
This leaves me hitting 4 of 5 being accepted or accepted in part

Of the 11 submitted by my students 3 were accepted in some form and one will have several comments.
If you would like to help Bradley with a comment of your own see 2-195 Log #397 NEC-P02 (210.52(A))
He was very passionate about the cords in his Grandmothers foyer. I too have saw cords used in large foyers one of which ran under the front door threshold. I am going to try and get a picture of this and submit it.

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