joe tedesco
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How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
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charlie
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
Joe, when I was working in the trade (WOW, that was a long time ago!), it was common for me to install a panelboard and remove the bus assembly. I pulled in all the home runs and the service entrance conductors or feeder and reinstalled the bus assembly at finish. On larger jobs, I covered everything with plastic.
It is going to be interesting to see other answers. Charlie
Joe, when I was working in the trade (WOW, that was a long time ago!), it was common for me to install a panelboard and remove the bus assembly. I pulled in all the home runs and the service entrance conductors or feeder and reinstalled the bus assembly at finish. On larger jobs, I covered everything with plastic.
It is going to be interesting to see other answers. Charlie
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
In dwelling unit panels I used to put cardboard between the "hooks" for the line side of plug in breakers.
Now on commercial jobs we make it the painters problem, they paint, it they own it, same for devices and plates, although we have had painters clean the devices instead, their choice.
Bob
In dwelling unit panels I used to put cardboard between the "hooks" for the line side of plug in breakers.
Now on commercial jobs we make it the painters problem, they paint, it they own it, same for devices and plates, although we have had painters clean the devices instead, their choice.
Bob
Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
In this State, the service panel is installed and turned on for construction power, at the start of a dwelling. The panels are covered before any other work is done. Covers look bad, but the interior is usually clean.
Almost all jobs get a service inspection before a wiring rough in.
In this State, the service panel is installed and turned on for construction power, at the start of a dwelling. The panels are covered before any other work is done. Covers look bad, but the interior is usually clean.
Almost all jobs get a service inspection before a wiring rough in.
pierre
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
The overspraying seems to be a lack of concern for painters and GCs. If we complain the GC seems to think we are nagging him. Also most of the time our switch boxes are in the sheetrock joints, and on some jobs are filled with compound.
On most jobs, we cover the panel, but when we come back for final installation we never know what we are going to find. Removing the guts is a problem, because a lot of times when the final work is performed, the same men may not be on the job and locating the 'parts' can mean a phone call to the supply house.
This seems to be the norm for the 20+ years I have been in the trade.
Pierre
The overspraying seems to be a lack of concern for painters and GCs. If we complain the GC seems to think we are nagging him. Also most of the time our switch boxes are in the sheetrock joints, and on some jobs are filled with compound.
On most jobs, we cover the panel, but when we come back for final installation we never know what we are going to find. Removing the guts is a problem, because a lot of times when the final work is performed, the same men may not be on the job and locating the 'parts' can mean a phone call to the supply house.
This seems to be the norm for the 20+ years I have been in the trade.
Pierre
websparky
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
This is how it is addressed in my area also. We inform the GC and the painter.
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Here is another post (scroll to my awwt post): awwt speaks out on bus contamination
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That covers it quite nicely, but it would also make sense to codify that the bus must be removed or masked off during the spraying of paint and/or plaster. As a service electrician in 1994 I saw a ton of burnt buses from paint and plaster overspray. It made me a ton of money but it's still wrong and a safety hazard!
Here is another post (scroll to my awwt post): awwt speaks out on bus contamination
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Hoping for a grammar check for these forum posts too...but don't know where to get that. ]
jxofaltrds
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
How? Rip out and back charge.
awwt. No need to codify. Should we require (codify) that the windows get covered?
Funny why they would cover everything except the electric.
awwt. It would be a check in grammer.
Mike P.
How? Rip out and back charge.
awwt. No need to codify. Should we require (codify) that the windows get covered?
Funny why they would cover everything except the electric.
awwt. It would be a check in grammer.
Mike P.
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Before I got ieSpell I thought it was grammer too. Somebody busted my chops on that.
Before I got ieSpell I thought it was grammer too. Somebody busted my chops on that.
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
Contamination due to paint has become a big problem on several of our job sites.We do maimly residential work and the painters have bought at least 25 panels over the past 3 months.We cover then on rough in but between the inspectors opening them and people using them as shelves for their lunch it is impossible to insure that between all the trades that follow us the panels remain covered.So we backcharge the painter to change the panel guts.They gripe and complain but if they paint it they buy it !!!! After 25 $195.00 backcharges they cover the panels now
Contamination due to paint has become a big problem on several of our job sites.We do maimly residential work and the painters have bought at least 25 panels over the past 3 months.We cover then on rough in but between the inspectors opening them and people using them as shelves for their lunch it is impossible to insure that between all the trades that follow us the panels remain covered.So we backcharge the painter to change the panel guts.They gripe and complain but if they paint it they buy it !!!! After 25 $195.00 backcharges they cover the panels now
ephesus56ad
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
as a gc the other trades i work with have been my "team" for a while. if i bring in someone new for a job they understand that if they damage someone else's work the buy it. not fix it. this is all put in my contracts and everyone likes it. i don't let the plumbers pull wire tile guys don't set toilets. make everyone on the same page so we can just ***** about who"s turn it is to buy the beer.
al
as a gc the other trades i work with have been my "team" for a while. if i bring in someone new for a job they understand that if they damage someone else's work the buy it. not fix it. this is all put in my contracts and everyone likes it. i don't let the plumbers pull wire tile guys don't set toilets. make everyone on the same page so we can just ***** about who"s turn it is to buy the beer.
al
jxofaltrds
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
Oops. I know it is grammar. My fingers don't.
Mike P
Oops. I know it is grammar. My fingers don't.
Mike P
Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
We don't have too much problem with the painters. Our biggest ones are: 1. SOMEONE keeps stealing the panel cover screws (you know the funny ones with the oversize Tork or Robinson Square drive heads?)! 2. The drywall hangers playing their version of battleship where they use their Roto-zips to see how many wires they can cut to shreds even when they are tucked as far back in the box as possible. and 3. The drywall finnishers using their "bazooka" to fill all 3 and 4 gang boxes with a quart or two of mud.
Most of these fellows are nice guys, they just don't understand the hassle they make for someone else. If there's an area where another trade points out to us where we can help them by not making it hard for them when they come behind us, I make sure to go over it with my boys (2 sons) so they can be sure to keep an eye out for it and not get in someone else's way. If it doesn't violate code or require me to do their job, we'll happily try to help. But I've had so many finnishers try to explain there's no other way for them to do it!
Websparky / Iwire, how would you address these problems?
Chris
We don't have too much problem with the painters. Our biggest ones are: 1. SOMEONE keeps stealing the panel cover screws (you know the funny ones with the oversize Tork or Robinson Square drive heads?)! 2. The drywall hangers playing their version of battleship where they use their Roto-zips to see how many wires they can cut to shreds even when they are tucked as far back in the box as possible. and 3. The drywall finnishers using their "bazooka" to fill all 3 and 4 gang boxes with a quart or two of mud.
Most of these fellows are nice guys, they just don't understand the hassle they make for someone else. If there's an area where another trade points out to us where we can help them by not making it hard for them when they come behind us, I make sure to go over it with my boys (2 sons) so they can be sure to keep an eye out for it and not get in someone else's way. If it doesn't violate code or require me to do their job, we'll happily try to help. But I've had so many finnishers try to explain there's no other way for them to do it!
Websparky / Iwire, how would you address these problems?
Chris
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Re: How Do Electricians Control Overspray, etc.?
For a few nicked wires myself and the other foreman in the company will just deal with it, I am a big believer in corporation between trades and I will just remind the drywallers I have helped them out when I need a favor from them. Maybe we forgot something and need some drywall patched where we fished it in.
However, if it gets out of control the slips come out and the GC gets back charged, as I said before there is language in the contract that makes them responsible for damage.
There is few code compliant ways to fix the wires if they get cut off at the connector, so a professional fix can get expensive.
For a few nicked wires myself and the other foreman in the company will just deal with it, I am a big believer in corporation between trades and I will just remind the drywallers I have helped them out when I need a favor from them. Maybe we forgot something and need some drywall patched where we fished it in.
However, if it gets out of control the slips come out and the GC gets back charged, as I said before there is language in the contract that makes them responsible for damage.
There is few code compliant ways to fix the wires if they get cut off at the connector, so a professional fix can get expensive.
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