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How we construe 210.12(D) - Branch Circuit Extensions or Modifications

b_electric

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Location
Nevada City, CA
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Certified General Electrician
Client has a 10-unit apartment building with Zinsco sub-panels installed for each unit and his insurance carrier is requiring the sub-panels to be changed out.

I'm literally just swapping the sub-panels and breakers, strictly line-side-isolated scope of work while no modifications are being made to any of the branch circuits themselves... so what constitutes a "modification"?

I'm concerned the AHJ will construe a sub-panel/breaker swap rises to the level of modification for the purposes of this code section.

It's a difference of about $5k in breaker cost.

Thanks in advance for your insights!
 

petersonra

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Location
Northern illinois
Occupation
engineer
Client has a 10-unit apartment building with Zinsco sub-panels installed for each unit and his insurance carrier is requiring the sub-panels to be changed out.

I'm literally just swapping the sub-panels and breakers, strictly line-side-isolated scope of work while no modifications are being made to any of the branch circuits themselves... so what constitutes a "modification"?

I'm concerned the AHJ will construe a sub-panel/breaker swap rises to the level of modification for the purposes of this code section.

It's a difference of about $5k in breaker cost.

Thanks in advance for your insights!
Why not ask them?

If they require more expense just tell your customer that it is the city causing the price to go up. Your customer will understand that since causing unnecessary cost with little or no benefit is something governments are extremely good at.
 

Jaybone812

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Location
Massachusetts-2023 NEC
Occupation
Commercial & Residential Electrician
Client has a 10-unit apartment building with Zinsco sub-panels installed for each unit and his insurance carrier is requiring the sub-panels to be changed out.

I'm literally just swapping the sub-panels and breakers, strictly line-side-isolated scope of work while no modifications are being made to any of the branch circuits themselves... so what constitutes a "modification"?

I'm concerned the AHJ will construe a sub-panel/breaker swap rises to the level of modification for the purposes of this code section.

It's a difference of about $5k in breaker cost.

Thanks in advance for your insights!

If you replace any receptacles 406.4(d)(3) requires gfci protection for replacements in locations that where gfci protection elsewhere in the code
And 406.4(d)(4) requires afci protection for receptacles replaced in areas listed in 210.12(a)(b)or (c)
210.12(e) exception: afci protection shall not be required where the extension of existing branch circuit conductors is not more than 6’

So basically if you extend and existing branch circuit for any area in 210.12(b)(c) or (D) more than 6’ you need to provide afci protection for that circuit


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b_electric

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Location
Nevada City, CA
Occupation
Certified General Electrician
(Just playing devil's advocate here...)
Where it is true I'm not extending the branch circuit specifically, the OCPD is a device that is solely dedicated and directly integral to the operation of that branch circuit, so one could argue that the breaker falls under the description of branch circuit device and subject to the code's modification verbiage as I am most certainly modifying the branch circuit by installing a new circuit breaker, and considering this all set within the context of installing AFCI protection, there really couldn't be a more obvious modification which would present the most viable opportunity to provide AFCI protection.

I think this code section is verbose in that the word modification is included alongside modification definitive words. It leaves a window open to interpret modifications to be more than what is intended.
 
(Just playing devil's advocate here...)
Where it is true I'm not extending the branch circuit specifically, the OCPD is a device that is solely dedicated and directly integral to the operation of that branch circuit, so one could argue that the breaker falls under the description of branch circuit device and subject to the code's modification verbiage as I am most certainly modifying the branch circuit by installing a new circuit breaker, and considering this all set within the context of installing AFCI protection, there really couldn't be a more obvious modification which would present the most viable opportunity to provide AFCI protection.

I think this code section is verbose in that the word modification is included along with definitions of modifications. It leaves a window open to interpret modifications to be more than that which is intended.
But it is not the circuit breaker that needs AFCI protection, it is the branch circuit.
 

Jaybone812

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Location
Massachusetts-2023 NEC
Occupation
Commercial & Residential Electrician
(Just playing devil's advocate here...)
Where it is true I'm not extending the branch circuit specifically, the OCPD is a device that is solely dedicated and directly integral to the operation of that branch circuit, so one could argue that the breaker falls under the description of branch circuit device and subject to the code's modification verbiage as I am most certainly modifying the branch circuit by installing a new circuit breaker, and considering this all set within the context of installing AFCI protection, there really couldn't be a more obvious modification which would present the most viable opportunity to provide AFCI protection.

I think this code section is verbose in that the word modification is included alongside modification definitive words. It leaves a window open to interpret modifications to be more than what is intended.


210.12(e) Is in regards to the branch circutt wiring. When you swap a panel and breakers like for like in exact same location you’re not modifying, extending or replacing the wiring You’re replacing the ocpd’s for the branch ciruit and replacing the load center Allot of times panel upgrades are done to address a safety cocern with the existing panel and/or the branch circuit ocpd’s . if it’s to accommodate new branch circuits the new circuits in locations that require afci & gfci protection we have to provide the protection
When you replace receptacles 406.4(d){3)&(4) requires us to provide gfci and afci protection for those receptacles the receptacles are located in a area the current code requires the protection
I feel the code rule is very clear on when when the afci protection must become provided


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Jaybone812

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Location
Massachusetts-2023 NEC
Occupation
Commercial & Residential Electrician
We disagree here. That is specifically not a modification, it is a replacement or a repair.
💯I feel the code is clear as to when we are required to provide afci protection when replacing devices . And a replacement breaker is not required to provide afci protection unless it’s to accommodate a replacement, modification or extension of the branch circuit wiring
 

augie47

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Location
Tennessee
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State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
I think we all agree AFCI is not required but, as petersonra suggested, double check with your AHJ. Sometimes they have a different outlook and rarely concern themselves with what we say here.
 
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