HVAC MCA vs OCP

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Thanks in advance for your responses.

I have a heat pump with aux heater at 20 amps and a blower fan at 4.9 amps.
The MCA is 32 amps and the MOP is a 35 amp breaker.
Unfortunately, I read the wrong column (208v vice 240v) and installed a 10ga NM wire and a 30 amp breaker where 8ga wire and 35 amp breaker would have been more appropriate.

Of note, the breaker that came with the heater is a 30 amp breaker and the manual states only 30 and 60 amp breakers are supplied with the heaters. Therefore, the unit's breaker appears to be correct. It is my understanding that unit breakers can be larger than the MOP, but in my scenario, the supplied heater's breaker is less than the MCA specified by the unit,, (yet was a listed heater for the heat pump). Would it be inappropriate to use a 30 amp breaker with 10 gauge wire at the main panel if the unit's disconnect is also 30? My school of thought is upgrading the wire and breaker don't remove the possibility of nuisance trips at the unit's breaker.

Also, the blower motor is an ECM motor and therefore does not have a capacitor. The ECM ramps up to speed instead of having a large starting current surge. The heater starts with a delay after the blower fan starts. Therefore, I do not think the unit would ever see starting current surges above 25 amps plus control wiring.

Do I rewire?
 
IMO Yes.
Their are some here that say they have not had nuisance trips due to not using the MOP. (30-35) But I have.
BTW What does this heat? I'd probably factor that in my decision to re-wire or not.
 
IMO Yes.
Their are some here that say they have not had nuisance trips due to not using the MOP. (30-35) But I have.
BTW What does this heat? I'd probably factor that in my decision to re-wire or not.
I cannot swap the "disconnect" breaker of the unit from factory specifications. Would I not have nuisance trips on the disconnect breaker with a 35 feeding a 30 amp breaker in lieu of a 30 feeding a 30? Same load downstream both breakers.
 
Is the heater separate from the heat pump. This 20 amps and a blower are they built into the heat pump? or Is that 20 amps plus the blower the total load with the heat pump included
 
It's strange that the unit has a 30 amp OCPD yet it has a MCA off 32 amps. Can you post a photo of the nameplate?
 
Are you using nm cable or conduit. #10 is good for 35 amps in conduit but not for nm cable.
Unfortunately NM-B. I had that thought too.

Regarding the nameplate, page 20, 6024ME, RXBH-1724A15J, MULTI. CKT 1:
http://pts.myrheem.com/docstore/web...a/pdfs/Airhand/IO/92-20521-102-01_H2T_HMV.pdf

Regarding "disconnect" breaker size (page. 14):
"IMPORTANT: After the Electric Heater is installed, units may be equipped with one, two, or three 30/60 amp. circuit breakers. These breaker(s) protect the internal wiring in the event of a short circuit and serve as a disconnect. Circuit breakers installed within the unit do not provide over-current protection of the supply wiring and therefore may be sized larger than the branch circuit protection."

Regarding Heater schematic, CB1 is 30 amps and CB2 is 60 amps. Note CB1 feeds 20 amps to the heater and 4.9 to the blower:
http://pts.myrheem.com/docstore/web...RXBH-1724A13J_RXBH-1724A15J_RXBH-1724A18J.pdf
 
Okay so the heat pump is a separate unit that is outside and this unit is in the crawl or somewhere inside. You do need a #8 on a 35 amp breaker but it is interesting that the info says max cir. amps not maximum fuse or cb. I assume it means max cb.

Even tho the unit has a 35 amp breaker I would install #8 with 35 amp overcurrent protective device. This covers you. Would #10 and a 30 amp overcurrent protective device work-- probably but it would not be compliant, IMO
 
Okay so the heat pump is a separate unit that is outside and this unit is in the crawl or somewhere inside. You do need a #8 on a 35 amp breaker but it is interesting that the info says max cir. amps not maximum fuse or cb. I assume it means max cb.

Even tho the unit has a 35 amp breaker I would install #8 with 35 amp overcurrent protective device. This covers you. Would #10 and a 30 amp overcurrent protective device work-- probably but it would not be compliant, IMO
Dennis, the unit has a 30 amp breaker. The heater came with that 30 amp breaker. The heater made for rheem does not comply with its own MCA of 32. I just find it weird.
 
@Bronco9588 I agree it is weird but I would cover myself. If it is not a standard breaker then the breaker my be suitable for use at 100% of continuous load. I heard there are small dim rail CB's that are rated that way.
 
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@Bronco9588 I agree it is weird but I would cover myself. If it is not a standard breaker then the breaker my be suitable for use at 100% of continuous load. I heard there are small dim rail CB's that are rated that way.
That is an interesting thought. I will take a closer look at the breakers. I have been operating on the assumption that they have the same trip features.
 
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