Hydrogen fueling

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A friend of mine told me recently about a BNSF railroad project, where they are testing a new locomotive that uses compressed hydrogen for it's fuel.. Very interesting. He said very soon they will have to wire the "fueling" facility for a test of the locomotive in the Southern California area.

Any thoughts on what this might take? What classification would the wiring method be? I'll admit, I know nothing of this new fuel system, but then again neither does he..lol..

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It is funny you should ask. There is a thread up now that shows the wiring method necessary for your topic.




Here is a picture of it.
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Sorry, I could not resist.:D
 
With gasoline in a garage it's ususally Hazardous protected up to 18", and the requiremnt to move air.

Whelp with Hydrogen in a garage it is from the roof down, X Number of inches that has to be Hazardous rated and move some air.
 
Um you cannot use compressed hydrogen as a fuel, not enough energy density. It has to be liquefied which requires cryogenic refrigeration. By the time you account for all the energy input and thermal losses you are better off just using diesel or coal for the fuel, not to mention a heck of a lot less expensive.
 
Any added input on this subject? I am told the train will be in the Los Angeles area by first week of December.......

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Um you cannot use compressed hydrogen as a fuel, not enough energy density. It has to be liquefied which requires cryogenic refrigeration. By the time you account for all the energy input and thermal losses you are better off just using diesel or coal for the fuel, not to mention a heck of a lot less expensive.

Since when was money an object of or barrier to Green efforts?

Even when they use eco-efficiency calculations they use arbitrary numbers for account for CO2 'effects'. When you lok at the number there is NO hard science behind it.
 
As a switcher locomotive in a yard, the economics change from the long haul and short haul locomotives. Since it will always be working in one facility, the likely short refueling intervals are not so big a deal. If the thing is using regenerative braking to recover H2 from the water, then there is potentially quite a large cost savings. Adding in the reduction in diesel exhaust, quieter operation, and sales of the carbon credits, may even balance out the increased cost of the locomotive and fueling facility.

Assuming the cost per BTU of the hydrogen is reasonably close to the cost per BTU of deisel fuel

As to wiring codes that would apply. I don't have a book handy, but I think there is a chapter on industrial locations with flammable and cryogenic gases.

Hazards are the fire and explosive nature of hydrogen gas in air, so explosion-proof fittings for all wiring and enclosures. Hydrogen is lighter than air, so venting the top of any conduit to release the vapors would make sense to me.
There is also the hazards of cryogenic liquids, assuming the hydrogen is dispensed as LH2, so heavy duty conduit down at ground level and underneath any tanks, pumps or pipes with the stuff, and venting to allow pressure buildups to safely release from inside conduit and enclosures that got LH2 inside of them.
Anti-static precaustions like they use at fuel tanker filling stations and airplane fueling stations.
I can't think of anything else off the top. Isn't it always fun to be the first?
 
The train is in the station......

Friend said the train arrived yesterday. It is a switcher, and is labeled as
" Compressed Hydrogen".

2 skids were delivered along with it, pre-packaged units. One is a chiller, the other is a "Intensifier"......whatever that is.

The company Air Gas dropped off 2 trailer mounted tanker cars marked "Hydrogen". My friend has finally an initial set of plans. Requirements are 225 amps at 480v, plus a small single phase load. Class 1 Div 1 areas, and Class 1 Division2 areas around intensifier and back of Hydrogen tankers.

Im very interested on how this goes....keep you informed.

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When you do the install, you have to remember that hydrogen is a Group B product. Much of the commonly found explosionproof fittings and enclosures are only suitable for use with Group C and D products.
 
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