I need Help IC Rated Cans

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lucky55

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I have an inspector that is telling me that I need to replace all the 4" cans installed with IC rated cans. I installed Juno Model TC44 Low voltage Cans. These cans have a thermal protected transforemr.

The Inspector can not qutoe any code article for this, but insitis that we change them.

Does anybody have any idea what the heck this guy is talking about?

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Broke in Buford
 
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You may not have to remove the existing cans if you install them according to the instructions, which probably say not to install insulation closer than three inches to the fixture. If you remove the insulation from the three inch zone around the fixtures the inspector should be fine with the installation.

110.3(B) would be the code requiring installation according to the instructions.
 
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My guess is that the cans were installed in a ceiling with an attic space above and are required by the building code to provide some sort of air sealing.
 
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IC Cans

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I installed cans That are not IC rated in a home both first and second floor. There is an attic on the second floor.

Several answers have reffer to a code. What Code requires Air tight or IC.
They are installed with thermal protection and the insallation will be kept away. I would make sure. If not they would shut on and off ( due to the thermo).

No one can give me an answer so far as to what code, Where can I find it in black and White, requires Air tight or IC ratings.
 
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You'll need to find a building code reference. The idea of having open holes in a ceiling into an attic has come and gone. Factor in the removal of the insulation 3" around the fixture and you can see why this would become an energy issue. During the winter heat from below will rise into the attic. Cut in enough high hats and a lot of heat and therefore energy is lost.
 
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I agree with Trevor. It is probably a building code that will prohibit it or some local ordinance. The more non ic cans you have the more heat loss there is. You still need to check with the inspector and insist that he give you more direction in where he is coming from. Otherwise call your states AHJ.
 
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Thank you all for your help.
I finally got an answer from the AHJ. The issue is covered under the "Georgia Energy Code" which as I figured had nothing to do with the NEC. The inspector kept saying that it was an NEC code, and I knew he was wrong. Anyway thanks all and once again this forum proved to be a vital part of my company's operations.
 
Mr. Bill

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NEC 410.5 Luminaires (Fixtures) Near Combustible Material.

You can build a box around the fixtures that keeps cumbustible material away from it and then add the required insulation on all outer sides of the box to maintain the building's envelope.

Or replace the fixtures with one that's IC rated. As stickboy1375 said, they are large.
 
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stickboy1375 said:
Wait till you see the size a juno IC44 can... :grin:
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Another "super sized" can (Juno IC 44 N)

I think that might be "actual size" ....I'll delete it LOL


EDIT:
Found a smaller version.
Here's the original image link ~ http://www.junolighting.com/image/JR-IC44N-H.jpg
 
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I just looked a little deeper into Article 410.

410.66/B: Thermal insulation shall not be installed above a recessed luminaire (fixture) or with 75 mm (3 in.) of the recessed luminaire's (fixture's) enclosure, wiring compartment, or ballast unless it is identified for contact with insulation, Type IC.
 
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